Need some advice, I have a 4310 with a 48* Hoe I purchased for my house projects in 2003, landscaping, snow removel and moving dirt to build a garage at my house some day.** The problem is the machine has been great for many projects at the house and I have logged 120-130 hours . Most of them our loader and chipper hours, with 150 hours for my business* moving material and backhoe hours.This machine falls short for lifting* and digging for my buisness , I need to lift tower sections and heavy steel, dig electric ditches and foundations in mountain tops of rock and granite. I sub out a lot of* trackhoe work , but we still need a machine on site that is small to do the finish work and move material in the middle of the woods.I have been offered a good deal for trade on my machine for a 4120 with the 448 hoe or keep my 48 hoe with the new 4120.* This machine will give me the lifting capacity I need , but I think the 110Tlb will give me a great deal of durability I need to dig rock and rent breakers with the skid style attachment capability the machine offers.* I do love the small footprint my 4310 gives me at my house and the turf tires do not destroy the lawn or the driveway. I know I will miss the machine and moving a 4120 or 110Tlb will be more weight to move from site to site.Also keeping two machines is out of the question. I want to keep my* life simple , I have several buildings, employees,fleet vehicles and stuff to maintain now .* My latest is a 17 month old daughter that has been in the works for* 19 plus years and I want to spend more home life and less building businesses and more equipment.So,long story short what do you think 110tlb OR 4120?***
What to do 4120 or 110TLB
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kennyd
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That is a real tuff decision for sure.
I personally like the versatility of the 110, and its built for commercial use.
I personally like the versatility of the 110, and its built for commercial use.
GreatWhitehunter
Veteran Member
110 hands down. The type of work your doing almost demands a full size tlb. The 110 is as close as you can get. There are other offerings from the other colors that will work for you also. The 110 is a real nice machine. That will be the next tractor for me also. I have a 3320 with the 448 and it's a great machine but for commercial duty the 110 fits the bill. The 110's loader doesn't come off. Just keep that in mind. Best of luck in your quest to keep it simple.
Matt T.
Matt T.
I did not think about the loader not coming off,but I think the only time I removed my loader is to service the machine or a detail wax .My friends make fun of me for keeping my tractor clean.GreatWhitehunter said:110 hands down. The type of work your doing almost demands a full size tlb. The 110 is as close as you can get. There are other offerings from the other colors that will work for you also. The 110 is a real nice machine. That will be the next tractor for me also. I have a 3320 with the 448 and it's a great machine but for commercial duty the 110 fits the bill. The 110's loader doesn't come off. Just keep that in mind. Best of luck in your quest to keep it simple.
Matt T.
I sold my Harley to buy the tractor in 2003 and they always joke about it, except when we are doing a roof job,building a addition,removing snow,digging for a wall, you get the picture. I never operated a Hydro machine, my 4310 is a power reverser do you think I will notice a loss of power? Also my front tires are foam filled and rear calcium loaded for weight , should I load the 110Tlb machine?
Macdab
GreatWhitehunter
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If your keeping the hoe on alot I wouldn't load the tires. But if you plan on doing loader work with the hoe off I would definatly load the tires. The 110 has alot of lift and you don't want that mess. As for the hydro and enough hp I don't think you'll notice any hp loss. The only place a hydro really loses is at the pto. From your work scope it doesn't sound like it will be an issue. I don't know if you've searched an past threads but be sure to order it with the skid plates. The 110 has a soft under belly and you don't need to find that out the hard way. It's worth the added price.
Matt T.
Matt T.
jcmseven
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I agree with Matt. The 110 is the choice if you are planning to do the work you mention. For a general tractor with backhoe capabilities the 4120 is fine, but it cannot match the 110 for this type work day in and day out.
John M
John M
Chris2520
Platinum Member
I agree with the Doc , 110 all the way. I drove one last year when thay did
my septic system before i had a backhoe. That thing is a beast.
makes all AG tractors seem like a toy. when you pull the lever.
it moves , breaks , or digs anything in its path.
but keep in mind i think it weighs about 8600 pounds. so keep
that in mind if weight is a problem. but the power of the hoe is
unmatched by anything of its size. The only thing close is the L39
and it still ant no 110.
Chris...
my septic system before i had a backhoe. That thing is a beast.
makes all AG tractors seem like a toy. when you pull the lever.
it moves , breaks , or digs anything in its path.
but keep in mind i think it weighs about 8600 pounds. so keep
that in mind if weight is a problem. but the power of the hoe is
unmatched by anything of its size. The only thing close is the L39
and it still ant no 110.
Chris...
Thanks again for the feedback , I appreciate the comments my wife refers to me as a tractor geek and is tired of me asking her what to do. It is nice to discuss this with people who have the same tractor disease as I do.
The weight is a concern and if I do not have to load the tires that would be great. I live on top of a killer hill and almost all of our sites our on top of the mountain in the middle of no where. I have a 12000lb trailer and f350 for a tow vehicle but more weight is tuff to pull ,plus coming down off the mountain with a full load can be scary.
I think my 4310 with 448 and loaded tires is close to the 7600lb unloaded 110TLb ? I also have to decide turf or Industrial tires . I have turf now and they are kind of to soft for moving slate or in heavy muck.
I wish I could keep both ,but I have kept many restored cars that I do not have time to drive and maintain. I will miss the green color but yellow is almost considered a STEELERS color.
Macdabs
The weight is a concern and if I do not have to load the tires that would be great. I live on top of a killer hill and almost all of our sites our on top of the mountain in the middle of no where. I have a 12000lb trailer and f350 for a tow vehicle but more weight is tuff to pull ,plus coming down off the mountain with a full load can be scary.
I think my 4310 with 448 and loaded tires is close to the 7600lb unloaded 110TLb ? I also have to decide turf or Industrial tires . I have turf now and they are kind of to soft for moving slate or in heavy muck.
I wish I could keep both ,but I have kept many restored cars that I do not have time to drive and maintain. I will miss the green color but yellow is almost considered a STEELERS color.
Macdabs
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LarryRB
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spent many a mile on 22 in your neck of the woods. Lots of little white cross's as one travels those hills,, I would go 110 and industrial in that area,
Chris2520
Platinum Member
The 110 TBL is a comercial machine. look at the specs.
i dont think a 4120 has no where near the hydraulic power
the 110 has. the lift capasity is greater. and the hoe is almost twice
as strong according to the numbers. and its much more durable.
then again. it costs more too....
Chris....
i dont think a 4120 has no where near the hydraulic power
the 110 has. the lift capasity is greater. and the hoe is almost twice
as strong according to the numbers. and its much more durable.
then again. it costs more too....
Chris....
From what I can tell and from talking to the sales people, the 110 is a mini 310 construction grade machine . The rear pto and threepoint hitch capability is the only thing that is similiar to the Deere Ag tractor line.
One thing I am finding is any optional Hydraulic outlets need to be orderd with the machine and can not be added in the field. This is making it tough for me to find a dealer with the rear outlet valves if I wish to add a top tilt cylinder for a box blade. Most of the dealers order machines with only the front aux valves on the loader for grapples , brooms, Plows and other skid steer attachments. Also the rear valves on the hoe for a breaker or augar is another option that many dealers do not order on a in stock machine.
It is looking like I will have to order a machine to get the options I want unless I purchase the one my dealer has without the rear outlet valves. I hate to do that , I only used my rear outlet valve once on my 4310 ,but I think it is a necessary option I should not leave out.
I am open for comments is a top tilt hydraulics the cats meow?
Macdabs
One thing I am finding is any optional Hydraulic outlets need to be orderd with the machine and can not be added in the field. This is making it tough for me to find a dealer with the rear outlet valves if I wish to add a top tilt cylinder for a box blade. Most of the dealers order machines with only the front aux valves on the loader for grapples , brooms, Plows and other skid steer attachments. Also the rear valves on the hoe for a breaker or augar is another option that many dealers do not order on a in stock machine.
It is looking like I will have to order a machine to get the options I want unless I purchase the one my dealer has without the rear outlet valves. I hate to do that , I only used my rear outlet valve once on my 4310 ,but I think it is a necessary option I should not leave out.
I am open for comments is a top tilt hydraulics the cats meow?
Macdabs
Simple question, Does the 110 have a Yanmar or JD powertech engine? I prefer the JD powertech. To me this would tip the scales to the 4120 . Did anyone actually look up the hydraulic capacities or just assume the 110 has more. Just because it costs more does not mean it is better in all categories.
I do not know , I will ask the dealer tomorrow, I think the loader spec is 2700lbs vs the 400x is 2300 lbs . I know the machine weighs in at 7600lbs and the 4120 with 448, and loader is in the 6000 lb range. I like the 4120 and the fact it fits in my garage attached to my house with the folding ROPS, but the 110TLB I think we be better for heavy use and the availability to rent various skid steer attachments is a big plus for me .
whoodle
Silver Member
I have had a 110 for about 5 years. I got everything for it. All hydraulics, r-4s, thumb, skidplates, 4n1, light materials bucket, 24, 12, 36, pallet forks, woods 8' rake with single tail wheel, topntilt, 84 inch rear snowblower, and boss V-plow for skidsteer. I also have the adapter for the breaker on the hoe, but I have never used a breaker front or rear with this machine. I have about 800 hrs during which I have used it to do things that the engineers would never have dreamt of. I have also put the l-48 and 39 as well as the 45 hp Powertrac through their paces. The l-39 was not out when I got mine, but I got jealous so I went to give it a whipping. I left with no regrets. I believe my tractor is about 10000 lbs without loading the wheels. The skid plate is a beast and the thumb and 4n1 tip the scales. I do all the maintenance and fixing when necessary. I have moved thousands of yards of everything from compost to multithousand pound boulders and 60 foot tall maple trees. I you really are trying to get work done, I believe the 110 is unmatched in the one against two tussle with the excavator/skidsteer duo.
A few days ago I was on a site where the homeowner had left about 8 yards of by then saturated compost in our way. I didn't have the 110, but there was a green deere with 25 hrs on it and the keys. It may have been a 4120 with a small hoe. Anyhow, I jumped on and used the hoe to gently move the pile aside. Nice machine, but the 15 minute operation probably took me 10 minutes longer than on the 110. The beauty of the beast is the creep to reposition on the hoe. This one feature makes up for any weakness of build quality or the additional loader strength of the l-48. It also is the clincher in the aforementioned tussle. If you send me a pm, I would be glad to chat with you.
A few days ago I was on a site where the homeowner had left about 8 yards of by then saturated compost in our way. I didn't have the 110, but there was a green deere with 25 hrs on it and the keys. It may have been a 4120 with a small hoe. Anyhow, I jumped on and used the hoe to gently move the pile aside. Nice machine, but the 15 minute operation probably took me 10 minutes longer than on the 110. The beauty of the beast is the creep to reposition on the hoe. This one feature makes up for any weakness of build quality or the additional loader strength of the l-48. It also is the clincher in the aforementioned tussle. If you send me a pm, I would be glad to chat with you.
Brimstone10x
Silver Member
The 110 tlb has a yanmar engine . (proven over seveal decades) And has three hyd pumps. the 4000 twentys only have two pumps. And a new ,(suspect)deere engine.
Rara Avis
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ChrisNJ
Bronze Member
Macdads, I'm in the same boat as you. I have a 4310 w/300+ hours on it. Use it on my gentlemans 60acre farm. it has been a great machine, and my first machine, yet i have a need to dig things that the 4310 can't do as I have no 48 backhoe, and not sure i want it. i rented one with the 48 and it couldn't do much i expected of it. my neighbor wants to split a 80-120 series used excavator which sound like a good idea, then i'll keep the 4310. but the 110 tlb is very attractive to me. if i were to go for the 110 i would buy it with all options. staying on-the-fence for now.
Chris,
I think no matter what machine you pick , you can never feel all your needs.
Before I purchased my 4310 I was using a Mustang skid steer to move dirt that belonged to a friend of mine , and almost purchased a skid steer except he told me to look at a tractor for what I do. He was right and the skid steer would have never worked with the box blade or my rear chipper. I have been waiting for a dealer to get a 110 TLB in for another customer, I am probably going to place the order with the rear hydraulics and front for attachments , but no hydraulics on the dipperstic. My 48 hoe and 4310 machine would be fine if the loader could lift 2000 lbs. The only complaint I have with the hoe portion is the speed on the curl . I use the 48 for work and the loader more at home for projects, I have a project at work to lift 2100lb skids in the woods, should help pay for the trade up.
Macdabs
I think no matter what machine you pick , you can never feel all your needs.
Before I purchased my 4310 I was using a Mustang skid steer to move dirt that belonged to a friend of mine , and almost purchased a skid steer except he told me to look at a tractor for what I do. He was right and the skid steer would have never worked with the box blade or my rear chipper. I have been waiting for a dealer to get a 110 TLB in for another customer, I am probably going to place the order with the rear hydraulics and front for attachments , but no hydraulics on the dipperstic. My 48 hoe and 4310 machine would be fine if the loader could lift 2000 lbs. The only complaint I have with the hoe portion is the speed on the curl . I use the 48 for work and the loader more at home for projects, I have a project at work to lift 2100lb skids in the woods, should help pay for the trade up.
Macdabs
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The weight of the 110 is important.
I have an L39 that is weighted up to about 8300 Lbs, which is about right for the machines cababilities. Unweighted, the machine just bounced around and the hydraulic pressures were not to full spec. I'd load up a 110 to +9000 LBS.
I have an L39 that is weighted up to about 8300 Lbs, which is about right for the machines cababilities. Unweighted, the machine just bounced around and the hydraulic pressures were not to full spec. I'd load up a 110 to +9000 LBS.
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