what on earth does electricity cost near you?

[Buggs67]

I don't have a time-of-day option. When I did (in NJ) I was able to shift 2/3 of my usage to off hours. But the NJ off peak rate was still higher than the regular rate in PA. NJ sucks in every respect.

 

[oosik]

Just checked. Inland Power and Light - 8.42 cents per KWH.

 

[Helogabals]

Here customers have 2 options - follow pool (with a little mark-up) or go fixed rate.
First option is nice, if you can run big consumers at night, normally - from 2300 till 0600. Like I have 2 EVs and I benefit a lot from this Sometimes, in windy nights rates was even negative.

But then come that crisis and during midday rate have hit even 1 €/kWh
To smoothen my invoice I have made deal with my electricity supplier on 0.09 €/kWh flat. With supply fee and taxes it makes ~ 0.12 €/kWh. And that is considered rather low rate across EU



BTW - petrol here now is 1,6 €/litre
Diesel - 1,5 €/L
Have heard that in Finland petrol prices now are over 2 €/L

 

[LHF2019]

Average for 2021 was $0.145/kw. Since 2015 when I started tracking it the highest average was 2018 at $0.157/kw

 

[Buggs67]

Here customers have 2 options - follow pool (with a little mark-up) or go fixed rate.
First option is nice, if you can run big consumers at night, normally - from 2300 till 0600. Like I have 2 EVs and I benefit a lot from this Sometimes, in windy nights rates was even negative.

But then come that crisis and during midday rate have hit even 1 €/kWh
To smoothen my invoice I have made deal with my electricity supplier on 0.09 €/kWh flat. With supply fee and taxes it makes ~ 0.12 €/kWh. And that is considered rather low rate across EU



BTW - petrol here now is 1,6 €/litre
Diesel - 1,5 €/L
Have heard that in Finland petrol prices now are over 2 €/L

Americans for the most part have no idea of what Europe pays for energy and taxes.

So that would be about $6.89/gal for gas and $6.47 for diesel (doesn't seem too high for Europe). In 2012 when I was touring the Austrian/Italian Alps by MC I paid about $9.25/gal for gas in Cortina. It was not as bad in Austria. And last time I was in Ireland I think the VAT was 21%.

 

[Helogabals]

Americans for the most part have no idea of what Europe pays for energy and taxes.

So that would be about $6.89/gal for gas and $6.47 for diesel (doesn't seem too high for Europe). In 2012 when I was touring the Austrian/Italian Alps by MC I paid about $9.25/gal for gas in Cortina. It was not as bad in Austria. And last time I was in Ireland I think the VAT was 21%.

At first reading I got you a bit wrong. So I edited


6,89 $ = 6,06 EUR
1 gal = 3,785 L
So thats equal 1,6 €/l for gas
and
1,5 €/l for diesel
But you have to consider that I live in quite cheap country. I / NL / FR / UK taxes a lot heavier than our government does.


Here screen from one popular retailer's today prices:

Gas we do have 2 grades available. 90 % of folks use E95. Those with M; RS; AMG; etc use E98. I fill my motorrad with e98 either. Just because

The same with diesel. Regular dudes go with standard D. Pro is for feinshmeckers
But for my Yanmar I buy PRO, because that contains less bio-$h%t. In regular diesel that "bio" is tended to "grow" a kind of algaes if left for longer while.

 

[arto98607]

Americans for the most part have no idea of what Europe pays for energy and taxes.

So that would be about $6.89/gal for gas and $6.47 for diesel (doesn't seem too high for Europe). In 2012 when I was touring the Austrian/Italian Alps by MC I paid about $9.25/gal for gas in Cortina. It was not as bad in Austria. And last time I was in Ireland I think the VAT was 21%.

No argument but do you suppose average European on the street know how relatively cheap fuel is here, or low taxes we pay when compared to them?

Answer: They have no idea generally speaking.

 

[Helogabals]

 

[Buggs67]

At first reading I got you a bit wrong. So I edited


6,89 $ = 6,06 EUR
1 gal = 3,785 L
So thats equal 1,6 €/l for gas
and
1,5 €/l for diesel
But you have to consider that I live in quite cheap country. I / NL / FR / UK taxes a lot heavier than our government does.


Here screen from one popular retailer's today prices:

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Gas we do have 2 grades available. 90 % of folks use E95. Those with M; RS; AMG; etc use E98. I fill my motorrad with e98 either. Just because

The same with diesel. Regular dudes go with standard D. Pro is for feinshmeckers
But for my Yanmar I buy PRO, because that contains less bio-$h%t. In regular diesel that "bio" is tended to "grow" a kind of algaes if left for longer while.

Interesting.

Our standard gas (petrol) is 10% Ethanol and usually is available in three grades: regular 87 octane, plus 91 octane and premium 93 octane. E85 which is 85% ethanol is available in some places (not around here) and is cheaper than regular and also less energy=less gas mileage/gal. But not all cars/trucks can use it.

Right now gas is about $3.73 reg, $4.03 plus and $4.33 premium. Diesel is about $4.28 but it is NOT bio and that includes road tax which is $0.995. Around here we can buy off road diesel at the pump and then they add on sales tax of 7%, so about $3.50ish.

You can do the G->L and $->€ calculations.

EDIT: I found a converter so $3.73 = 0.87 €/l and Diesel would be 1.0 €/l

 

[Buggs67]

In that same vein last time I was in Ireland we went shopping to make dinner for the family (8 men & women). It was interesting because the stores were so small and limited choice unless we went to Aldi or Lidl.

With prices being in € and weights being in Half Kilos we didn't know what was what. And they called the cuts of meat by different names. No matter; we picked out a nice beef roast and veggies and had a lovely meal.

BTW that type difference is still evident in US. In the NE they've never heard of Tri Tip and in south central PA one man I know was unaware corned beef came in anything other than a tin can. Imagine his surprise when he was invited to a Corned Beef and Cabbage dinner by an irish-heritage lass. And here Chicken Pot Pie is not what it is in the NY Metro area.