Wain Roy 450

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jcroneberger

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Hello everyone,
I have a 1967(?) Wain Roy Modell 450, backhoe/loader.
It has a 4 cylinder 242CID ford diesel engine.
It runs well, and I have dug out many stumps, dug footings for my 24x60 garage,
and moved lots of earth and firewood, etc, with it.
At over 70 years old, I am not computer savvy.
My question is, does anyone know where I can get information
on this machine and engine?
I would very much appreciate any help on this.
 
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Welcome to TBN and thank you making me dig into the WainRoy history!
I did some research to find that the engine is the English Dorset 2700E series which was used in many marine applications. I believe the Fordson Major was a similar engine, just smaller configuration.
It should have a Funk Revs-o-mat in front of
a 4-speed gearbox. Parts are still available from
most any good trans-supply shop.
Wain-Roy used many parts from old Ford truck stock. Bango rear
differential, front hubs, 4spd trans, front wheels, etc.

That said, a good Ford Industrial engine supply or marine engine store may have parts sources.
Foley Engines 800 233-6539 in your timezone can probably help.

Here is a book on Wain Roy story with a summary of the history:


What parts do you need?
 
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Welcome to TBN and thank you making me dig into the WainRoy history!
I did some research to find that the engine is the English Dorset 2700E series which was used in many marine applications. I believe the Fordson Major was a similar engine, just smaller configuration.
It should have a Funk Revs-o-mat in front of
a 4-speed gearbox. Parts are still available from
most any good trans-supply shop.
Wain-Roy used many parts from old Ford truck stock. Bango rear
differential, front hubs, 4spd trans, front wheels, etc.

That said, a good Ford Industrial engine supply or marine engine store may have parts sources.
Foley Engines 800 233-6539 in your timezone can probably help.

Here is a book on Wain Roy story with a summary of the history:


What parts do you need?
Oh My gosh !!!
Thank you so very much for your quick response !!!
As of yet, I do not need any parts yet, but the valves for the front bucket and back hoe are going to need rebuilding.
Seems like I am always chasing a hydraulic leak here or there !!!
From a crack in the frame, (which is the hydraulic oil reservoir), to blown hoses, to a leaking "O" ring on the PS pump, etc, etc.
I have over the past few years rebuilt several of the hydraulic cylinders. The larger ones being difficult because of size/weight.
I have made 5 spanner wrenches to fit the different rings/nuts on the various cylinders, spent countless hours at the metal lathe making pins, parts, etc.
When I first bought the machine, the exhaust manifold was 1/2 gone, and did not have a muffler.
So, not knowing what engine it was, and not knowing where to even start looking for parts,
I fabricated a manifold, and stainless steel muffler.
I fabricated a log splitter like the one that Neil Koch made in his YouTube video, and that helped split some very large pieces of firewood that his old guy could not even move. But the log splitter seemed to lack the force to split some of it, and after putting a pressure guage on the system, it showed only 1000PSI.
I do not know where the high pressure bypass valve is located to try to make the pressure higher, nor do I know what is the correct hydraulic oil this machine is supposed to use. Some fellas have told me that they used motor oil??
I have been using a standard hydraulic oil which seems to be around 15 weight/viscosity.
You a correct about the Funk-o-matic trans and 4 speed gear box, and the ford parts.
I needed a master brake cylinder, tie rod ends and front wheel brake cylinders, and yes, they were all Ford.
In one of Neil Koch's YouTube videos, he mentioned that book on Wain Roy, and I bought it, read it twice.
For the longest time, I thought that the machine was made around 500BC, but the book got it at around 1967.
I got in touch with the Fitchburg Historical Society and Library.
They had a little bit of info but not much.
I also wrote a letter to Antique Power Magazines editor and sent a couple of photos back in July of 2004, and received a lot of letters from guys that worked at the Fitchburg plant building these machines.
I have had some people tell me that Wain Roy never made a tractor, but only attachments.
I appreciate your response and the information you have provided. Thank you so very, very much !!!
Photos enclosed....
 

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Thanks for the pictures. That's a good looking, beast of a machine for 1967.
Is there a model tag or casting number/name on the front axle?
Can you take pictures of the master cylinder, front brake slave cylinder and front ball joints? Any measurements on the ball joints?
I'm wondering if the front axle is a Fabco.
 
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Nice backhoe! I have never even heard of them, but I do live a sheltered life!
David from jax
 
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Thanks for the pictures. That's a good looking, beast of a machine for 1967.
Is there a model tag or casting number/name on the front axle?
Can you take pictures of the master cylinder, front brake slave cylinder and front ball joints? Any measurements on the ball joints?
I'm wondering if the front axle is a Fabco.
Kind of cold and muddy out there today.
But, next time I need to work on it, I will crawl underneath and look for a tag and take photos of axle and master cylinder for you.
I have the part numbers of the parts I replaced so far:
Master Cyl: Carquest E150443
Front wheel Cyl: Carquest EW4571
Front brake hose: Carquest SP4272 (might be a tad long)
(2) Tie rod ends: Carquest CCH ES150R
(3) Tie rod ends: Dayton 310-113
(1) Tie rod end: Dayton 310-112

Note: These parts were replaced July '04,
I do not remember why there were differences in all of the tie rod ends.
My memory ain't what it used to be.
 
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Nice backhoe! I have never even heard of them, but I do live a sheltered life!
David from jax
Thanks.
I'll bet I live a more sheltered life !!!
Found this machine for $2000 in "The Want Ad Press' back in 2003 when it was in print form for 50 cents.
It was all I could afford at he time, but I spent a lot of hours repairing and making parts for it !!!
Photos of when I first got it back in '03
 

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Welcome to TBN and thank you making me dig into the WainRoy history!
I did some research to find that the engine is the English Dorset 2700E series which was used in many marine applications. I believe the Fordson Major was a similar engine, just smaller configuration.
It should have a Funk Revs-o-mat in front of
a 4-speed gearbox. Parts are still available from
most any good trans-supply shop.
Wain-Roy used many parts from old Ford truck stock. Bango rear
differential, front hubs, 4spd trans, front wheels, etc.

That said, a good Ford Industrial engine supply or marine engine store may have parts sources.
Foley Engines 800 233-6539 in your timezone can probably help.

Here is a book on Wain Roy story with a summary of the history:


What parts do you need?
 
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I found the old master cylinder.
photos enclosed.....
 

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No need for more pictures. The parts are pretty common. The front axle may be a Dana 44 or 60 axle from some of the research I have done.

I like the story and what you have done. Let us know how we can help. This is a great story
 
 
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