Utility trailer wiring problem

/ Utility trailer wiring problem #1  

winchman

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O.K. Guys,

I have 6' by 10' utility trailer that I pull behind my truck. Lights on the trailer worked fine for about 6 months, but now when I push on the brake pedal the running lights go out. Is there a grounding problem somewhere? If so where? Just thought I'd ask before I tackle the problem. I'm sure someone could steer me in the right direction.

Thanks,
winchman
 
/ Utility trailer wiring problem #2  
The light bulbs are dual filament for both stop lights and running lights. Sometimes one filament will break and lay across the other one causing the problem you described. You might check the bulbs /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
/ Utility trailer wiring problem #3  
Yes, this sounds like a ground problem. Make sure you have a hard ground to the truck! A hitch ball is not a good ground. BTDT [been there, done that]
 
/ Utility trailer wiring problem
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#4  
s1120,

How do I get a "hard ground" to the truck using the current wiring?

Thanks,
winchman
 
/ Utility trailer wiring problem #5  
One line to the trailer is a ground. The white one. Make sure the trailer ground goes into that connector, and that the truck end is hooked up. Some times the ground wire is just hooked to the toung area of the trailer.
 
/ Utility trailer wiring problem #6  
I agree on the grounding problem. I swear 90% of the light and wiring problems I've had with trailers (and there have been many) end up being ground problems (or, more accurately, lack of ground problems).
 
/ Utility trailer wiring problem #7  
Make sure the ground wire on the harness is getting a good connection at all three points: where it connects to the trailer frame, at the connector, and where it connects to the truck frame. You can’t rely on the hitch ball to provide a good ground connection between the truck and the trailer.

Also, try using some contact grease on the connector and the bulbs. You can get it at an auto parts store.
 
/ Utility trailer wiring problem #8  
I had the same problem one time with a Hobie-Cat trailer. My father-in-law, who worked for IBM for 30 years diagnosing computer problems happened by. He's a big man, probably 250 pounds.

He perched himself on the trailer, reached down and grabbed the rails with both hands, and then he jumped up and down and shook the whole trailer as violently as he could. The lights came on and have worked since.

I'm not saying this will work for you, but he explained that where the pieces of the trailer fit together, sometimes rust or corrosiion can get in there and mess up your ground.

Good luck
 
/ Utility trailer wiring problem #9  
Winchman:
Yes, you have a grounding problem. Most trailers use the frame for a ground. (Mine now have a ground wire to each light, as well.) On the truck side, the ground wire will run from the frame of the truck to the trailer plug. On mine, at least, the first place to look for a problem is where the ground wire attaches to the truck frame. Take that off, clean, reassemble and test. Second most common trouble site is where the ground wire on the trailer side attaches to the trailer. (I know that because I completely rewired a trailer before I found that the problem was that the ground wires to the trailer plug were bad on all three tow vehicles I tested it with.)
An initial test to demonstrate that the ground is a problem is to run a test wire all the way from the negative pole of the truck battery to the trailer frame. It needs good solid contact at both ends, of course. When that cures the problem, you have proven what you already knew -- the problem is the ground circuit between truck and trailer.
 
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Guys,

Thanks for all the replies! Forgot to tell you one thing in my original post, I have an electric brake control in my truck and frequently barrow a relatives trailer to haul my bota and the lights and brakes on the other trailer work fine. So, the problem must be with my trailer. I use an adapter to go from the 4-flat to the 7-pin on the truck.
Sorry that I did'nt elaborate more on this in the original post!

Thanks,
winchman
 
/ Utility trailer wiring problem #11  
Winchman:
You may be right, but don't rule out the truck just yet. Often one trailer will ground better through the ball than another, and will work properly even though the truck ground isn't good. I also have an adapter from 7 pole RV to flat 4. It does need cleaning and dielectric grease on occasion, but more often the problem is somewhere else.
 
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Charlie,

I guess that is possible.
I'll run a wire from the battery to the trailer to make sure it's not the truck.

Thanks,
winchman
 
/ Utility trailer wiring problem #13  
Winchman:
When you run the wire from the battery to the trailer frame, and it makes everything work correctly, that will prove that it is a ground problem, but it won't yet tell you whether the fault is in the truck, the connector, or the trailer. To do that, you have to peel back the insulation on the truck wire (from the plug to the truck frame), and run the test wire to the bare spot. If that fixes it, then the problem is in the truck. If it doesn't, the fault is in the trailer or connector.
These days, even before I run a wire from the battery to the trailer frame, my routine on any trailer electrical problem is to remove the truck and trailer ground wires from the frames, clean everything, with a wire brush and/or sandpaper, and reassemble. I've started coating them with dielectric grease, but only have 6 months or so doing that, so I don't know if it helps.
On my truck, a 1989 Chev, the wire from the trailer plug goes to a bolt on the outside of the left rear frame rail underneath the bed. That has gone bad three times in 13 years, but cleaning has fixed it each time. There should be a similar connection on the trailer, where the ground wire from the plug, (usually white, but sometimes whatever color the guy wiring it had close to hand) goes to a bolt on the frame. On either the truck or the trailer, you can't tell by looking at the connection whether it is good, unless the wire is broken off. Even putting a meter across the connection won't tell you anything for sure, since the connection may be bad only when you try to get it to carry more current than an ohmmeter puts out. With a normal modicum of luck, however, cleaning the ground connections will fix the problem and further diagnosis will be unnecessary.
Good luck
 
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Charlie,

Thanks for detail. I'll try your trouble stooting method and see what I can figure out tomarrow night.

Thanks Again,
winchman
 

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