Using Scarifier as Chisel Plow?

/ Using Scarifier as Chisel Plow? #1  

NonTypicalCPA

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I am looking at buying a landpride scarifier to use as a chisel plow for foodplot preparation. Before I spend $700 does anyone have any experience with this piece of equipment? I have some wooded openings/clearings that need to be cleared of roots and have the soil loosened.

Land Pride Scarifiers
 
/ Using Scarifier as Chisel Plow? #2  
I have a woods box blade with five scarifiers on it and they work awesome at breaking up the ground. I don't know if they will provide a good enough "finish" to your soil, but they will rip it up!
 
/ Using Scarifier as Chisel Plow? #4  
I own a Landpride Scarifier SF77. I bought it new just about 9 months ago from a Landpride dealer (which also sells Kubotas, but I don't think that's relevant). I HATE it. It is by far the worst implement I have, and I would not buy one again. Here goes:

Landpride rates this for up to 50hp. I have exactly 50hp. Snag something, or just pull it really hard in compacted soil - like it is MEANT to be used - and those 3/4" thick plates that mount the draft pins WILL bend. I have one bent, and have destroyed two pins on that side and am working on the third. At least the pins are replaceable - those 3/4" end plates are welded structure and realistically are not replaceable. It bent after I had owned it less than two months, and had at most 15 hours of use on it. I took it back to the dealer for warranty - dealer waited for Landpride rep to look at it - the Landpride factory rep said yep, it's bent, no, we won't fix it or replace it. I did not get any good explanation of why they would not fix or replace it, but they wouldn't, and I'm never buying anything Landpride again. I can still use it, but it's harder to get on and off, and I expect the bent plate to get worse over time and eventually fail. I will probably have my wife's uncle, who is a professional welder, try to fix it when it gets a little worse.

OK, don't buy the Landpride version. Unverferth makes basically the same thing - the Town & Country Ltd. "Freedom Line", except it has stronger clevis-style draft pins, and it's $50 cheaper, and from what I've seen it's slightly better made too. IF you really need a scarifier, that's what I would buy. I had priced that before I bought the Landpride, but it would have been special order and I was in a hurry. How I wish I had waited.

BUT... the scarifier is really a one trick pony. It loosens soil and does a great job of popping out rocks and bringing them up, whether you want it to or not. But it doesn't work quite the same as chisel plow, and isn't good for tillage. What it excels at are two things:
1) Loosening soil that is badly compacted, but only to about 10-12" deep and only with a lot of hp;
2) Popping out rocks and bringing them to the surface.

After use in regular soil, the scarifier leaves a field of basically 80% undisturbed soil and 20% deep cracks with large clods on either side of them. This is because it really isn't meant for tillage use. It is meant for busting up badly compacted soil, like overused and dry pastures, or vehicle tracks and parking areas. It does a great job at busting up badly compacted pastures, and I have had some good use of it from that, but that's its main good use. In badly compacted soil it will typically shatter the soil into a powder, which actually is in fairly useable form - run a drag over that a couple times and it's ready to re-seed. But if your soil isn't compacted, it leaves trenches and undisturbed soil, which isn't nearly ready for seeding. Oh, almost forget to mention, in non-compacted soil it also accumulates large clods between the shanks every couple hundred feet (or less), which renders it basically useless until you get off the tractor and kick the clod out with your boots - it often takes several hard kicks. This is tiresome the first time and extremely tiresome the 10th time. I would guess I have done that over 100 times now. The scarifier is not a good tillage implement.

If I were doing it over again, I would not buy any kind of scarifier (and definitely not Landpride). I would either buy a true subsoiler for loosening compaction, or I would buy a box blade which can do most of the scarifier tasks, but not as deep, and can do a lot more. Ideally I would have one of each, but no scarifier. The only person I think would get decent use out of a scarifier would be someone specializing in pasture renovation. While the plate bending is a Landpride design issue, the other issues are going to be common to all brands of scarifiers, I believe.

For what you describe I think a true chisel plow, with spring-trip shanks, is going to be your best option. My second choice would be a subsoiler, but you'll either need a big tractor to run more than one shank, or you'll be making a lot of passes with just a single shank model.

If, after all that, you still want a scarifier, my two cents are:
1) Get the Unverferth model - better design for less money
2) You will need at least 40hp and either MFWD or loaded R1 tires to get reasonable use out of it. Actually to get full use I would recommend a setup like mine, 50hp, MFWD, and loaded R1 tires. With all that I still can sometimes get the whole tractor stalled with the scarifier deep in the soil, but at least I don't run out of hp. 60hp would not be excessive except that the Landpride model can't take nearly that much power (based on it bending with my 50hp setup), and while the Unverferth looks a bit more solid, I wouldn't run it with more than 50hp either. If you have serious ripping/shattering needs you would want a multishank subsoiler. For more conventional tillage use, a conventional chisel plow is probably a good option.
 
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Thanks Z-Michigan for the great post - lots of good info that I wasn't thinking about. I have a Kubota L3940 (40hp). I also have a 6ft tiller for the tractor. My thought was to run the scarifier through the field and break up any roots, bring rock up, then run my tiller through to get to a finished seed bed. It sounds like I should save myself $700 and just use my tiller. I do have a friend with a box blade - maybe I should borrow that first.

Thanks again.
 
/ Using Scarifier as Chisel Plow? #6  
OK, I see you're in SW Michigan. I'm SW of Lansing; we may or may not have similar soils. I would be inclined to try using what you already have. The scarifier will bring rocks up, bigtime. A lot more than I ever wanted to deal with. Unless you own or can rent/borrow a rockpicker, plan on many hours of hand picking those rocks. Many, many hours for my soil. If tree roots are a serious problem I would consider a quality one-shank subsoiler, like the Unverferth model. Otherwise I would see what you can do with just the tiller and maybe the box scraper.

Two other things I wanted to mention:

1) If anyone is thinking that running the scarifier across a field twice, at 90 degree angles, would help - nope! The clodding issue is much worse, and the soil doesn't get all that much more broken up.

2) Another drawback to the Landpride version is the lack of a parking stand. It is very difficult for one person to hook up unless either you parked it against a fencepost (which is often bad for the fencepost) or you regularly win World's Strongest Man competitions. I'm 31 and linebacker sized and I usually cannot hook it up without help unless I parked it against a post. The Unverferth model has a parking stand which I assume makes hook-up much easier.

BTW, I have nothing to do with Unverferth and don't own any of their stuff, but I have looked at it at dealers and farm shows, and what I've seen looks better than what I own.
 
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A parking stand can be built for just about any implement if one is inclined to do so, although metal working tools are a must.
 
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Yeah, I understand. And if/when I get the bent plate worked on by my wife's uncle, maybe we can add a parking stand. But it is so obviously needed for a scarifier, it's a pretty glaring omission for the Landpride version, when the slightly cheaper Unverferth version has one.
 
/ Using Scarifier as Chisel Plow? #9  
Z-Michigan said:
2) Another drawback to the Landpride version is the lack of a parking stand. It is very difficult for one person to hook up unless either you parked it against a fencepost (which is often bad for the fencepost) or you regularly win World's Strongest Man competitions. I'm 31 and linebacker sized and I usually cannot hook it up without help unless I parked it against a post. The Unverferth model has a parking stand which I assume makes hook-up much easier.
Thanks for the info on the scarifier, I believe I will take your advice and not waste my money.

I see parking stands for all kinds of things, and I do not know if they are all needed. I have a HD PHD, and I would never buy a stand for it. Maybe after I get older and fatter. I do know that my RFM is a Pain in the arse to lineup and hookup, even with me now having it on a flat level pallets. Everytime I have to hook that thing up, I think I will buy a quick hitch the next day. Then I don't. My rear blade is heavy, but has a parking stand, and for some reason it is so much easier to hook up. I would think every tool should come with a stand.

I'm not linebacker sized, more like pillsbury doughboy sized.
 
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The issue in hooking up the scarifier is that without a parking stand, it will rest on its back, laying at only about a 10 to 20 degree angle from flat horizontal. From this you can attach the draft links, but unless you have some kind of incredible Inspector Gadget toplink, you need to raise it off the ground and then push it upright to attach the toplink. In doing this, first the scarifier shanks (sharp) hit your rear tires. Bad for the tires, but so far no punctures (I have 16.9x28 R1's with like 8 plys. If you have fewer plys you might experience punctures). Next, the implement weighs 235lbs per Landpride (sounds realistic to me) and requires what I would estimate as 100lbs of pushing force to hold it upright. I can easily do that with two hands, but I need another hand or two to attach the toplink, and I simply cannot apply that much force with just one hand. So, unless I parked it against a fencepost, I need to hold it up while my wife connects the toplink pin. I have tried some games with trying to hold it upright with a big rock on the shanks, or by digging it into the ground while only the draft links are attached, but no real luck. A parking stand would make hookup 10x easier.
 
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Z-Michigan said:
The issue in hooking up the scarifier is that without a parking stand, it will rest on its back, laying at only about a 10 to 20 degree angle from flat horizontal. From this you can attach the draft links, but unless you have some kind of incredible Inspector Gadget toplink, you need to raise it off the ground and then push it upright to attach the toplink. In doing this, first the scarifier shanks (sharp) hit your rear tires. Bad for the tires, but so far no punctures (I have 16.9x28 R1's with like 8 plys. If you have fewer plys you might experience punctures). Next, the implement weighs 235lbs per Landpride (sounds realistic to me) and requires what I would estimate as 100lbs of pushing force to hold it upright. I can easily do that with two hands, but I need another hand or two to attach the toplink, and I simply cannot apply that much force with just one hand. So, unless I parked it against a fencepost, I need to hold it up while my wife connects the toplink pin. I have tried some games with trying to hold it upright with a big rock on the shanks, or by digging it into the ground while only the draft links are attached, but no real luck. A parking stand would make hookup 10x easier.

So, I gather you need one of three things for this implement then.

1. three hands
2. a second wife/girlfriend
3. A parking stand

I would opt for #1, it may get in the way sometimes, but will always be "handy" when needed. The parking stand is good for only one thing, and come to think of it, #2 is only good for one thing as well.

-Just playin:D
 
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this is one i made
 

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/ Using Scarifier as Chisel Plow? #13  
CPA...I would say try your boxblade first, before buying the other attachment. Lower the scarifiers on the boxblade, (teeth), as far down as they will go. Then, shorten your toplink so the boxblade tilts more forward. That will allow the teeth to point a little further down at the ground and dig a little better. A little weight will help on the boxblade, too. Let us know how you did.
 
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Wow...this wan indeed interesting since I am reeally considering buying a LandPride Scarifier. I need to break up and pull out lots of small roots 4-10 inches deep as well as loosen the soil. The soil is sandy with no rocks and no clods of dirt. Just need to get the top lares off and my LandPride York rake will not do th e trick by itself.

Any suggestioons?
 
/ Using Scarifier as Chisel Plow? #16  
Guys - if you are not a linebacker and over 40 spend the $100 for a Quick Hitch. I bought one from Tractor Supply and another from Northern Tools. The one from NT was only $100 or there about.

I am 64 and would rather drive my tractor than wrestle with 400 lb implements so my tractor also sports a hydraulic top link. Now that's a bit more pricey because you have to have rear remote hydraulic connectors and control valve as well as the hydraulic top link. I am well pleased with my setup because I can control the top link from the drivers seat which lets me adjust my implement on the fly.
 
/ Using Scarifier as Chisel Plow? #17  
Okay call me stupid .. whats the purpoes of a scarifier? Break up the ground like a chisel plow? Break the hard Pan? Allow more moisture into the ground and establish the plant root base?

Can the piece of equipment in question achieve this? Will the sod bunch up and plug up this? Will it do the job?

If your trying to reach the hard pan and open the ground for moisture and root devolpment why not a subsoiler? I'm just asking and wondering.
 
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Thanks for the information about the quick hitch. I need to check them out at tractor supply or NT. I just bought a woods (BSS72) box blade that weighs 550 pounds so anything to make life easier is a plus!
 
/ Using Scarifier as Chisel Plow? #20  
would rippers on a box blade do the same thing? set to max depth of course
 
 

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