UFO's... What do you think?

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Radar data is not just lights in the sky... Japan air 1628


I just read about Japan Air 1628! Amazing! This is the type of stories I was interested in when I started this thread. Seasoned professionals obviously seeing something!
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #322  
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As much as I'd like to see global cooperation of mankind, it will never happen, and, by nature, will never happen. Its a grim fact.


Not grim. Cooperation breeds lethargy, competition accelerates progress. In my mind anyway.

In my mind, technological advances need two elements: Incentive and opportunity. War provides both. As they say, necessity is the mother of invention...during wartime, necessity is everywhere...and in developed nations, resources are available to provide the opportunity...the money if you will...for development. These elements exist outside of warfare, but without the urgency. Incentive and opportunity will invariably be tied to economics, in that research will need a pay out, and the payout potential must be great before a large and/or concentrated effort can be financed.

I have no doubt that mankind has the wherewithal to focus on a problem...any problem, including traveling to planets light years away...and find answers and solutions. I also have no doubt that that kind of universal cooperation/commitment will never happen in the foreseeable future.
 
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I have no doubt that mankind has the wherewithal to focus on a problem...any problem, including traveling to planets light years away...and find answers and solutions. I also have no doubt that that kind of universal cooperation/commitment will never happen in the foreseeable future.

Necessity is the mother of invention. The question is will humans see the necessity while there is enough time for the invention part.
 
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Who's passing on the most genes now?? The Chinese and the Indians. And they are smarter than us, work harder than us, are starting to consume more resources than us, and will eventually take over as the dominant societies for a time, just as England did before we did. We (human kind) do not have the means to transcend our basic natures, which is survival of the fittest, not cooperation with the "smartest".

As much as I'd like to see global cooperation of mankind, it will never happen, and, by nature, will never happen. Its a grim fact.

I never knew you are such a pessimist. :)

Fertility and the resulting population is highly correlated to wealth and education, or the lack of those two factors.
Fertility and living standards: Go forth and multiply a lot less | The Economist
Population and Poverty: New Views on an Old Controversy
Demographics and Poverty | Center For Global Development

Whether you take the view that high fertility causes poverty, or that high fertility is a result of poverty--they travel together. When looking at the global population then, those passing on the most genes are the least wealthy and least educated. That's true if you look at who is producing the most births in the US, India, or Ethiopia. China is a special case with their "one child" policy. But, would you argue that that policy, whatever else you may think about it, has played no role in China's economic growth?

Reality is the inverse of the result we would expect if the "passing on genes" is something the "fittest" are fighting to dominate or claiming as a prerogative of their fitness as demonstrated by their control of the available resources.

I see a creeping movement underway towards more global cooperation. Efforts to control global population are a cooperative effort. Scientific research is carried out and funded by international teams. Getting a handle on the globe's carbon footprint is an international effort. The International Space Station (ISS) is a collaborative effort. Sanctions applied to bad actor nations or ISIS-style groups are a multinational cooperative effort. The economy of any given nation has become more dependent on global factors and with more global inter-dependencies.

The people of the world are busy developing and leveraging shared values. We are communicating with each other in ways never before possible beyond stilted speeches delivered at a UN podium. We certainly have a ways to go before, "What if they gave a war and no one showed up?" can happen but we are moving in that direction. That is nothing to be grim about.
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #326  
Count your blessings. Although cooperative mankind could accomplish much, it would most likely result in evil. I give you the Tower of Babel as an example. If you define "cooperative" as some form of global government, that would most assuredly yield tyranny beyond your imagination. I've always said - In a One World government there is nowhere to run.

To achieve some of the fundamental values held by Christian theology requires one to transcend their biological nature. That theology places a value on cooperation between people; an importance placed on community. I have always thought that is a major reason for the appeal and success of the Christian creed.
 
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Looking forward to seeing this:
Home | The Principle

If you're into that pick up a copy and read Paul Davies Mind of God. Great stuff and definitely a gateway into theoretical physics well written on a lay level that makes it into a page turner. Davies is interesting in that he predicted we would find the top quark in just a few years, and sure enough we did, confirming the trajectory of his thesis.

The Mind of God: The Scientific Basis for a Rational World: Paul Davies: 9780671797188: Amazon.com: Books
 
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I never knew you are such a pessimist. :)

Fertility and the resulting population is highly correlated to wealth and education, or the lack of those two factors.
Fertility and living standards: Go forth and multiply a lot less | The Economist
Population and Poverty: New Views on an Old Controversy
Demographics and Poverty | Center For Global Development

Whether you take the view that high fertility causes poverty, or that high fertility is a result of poverty--they travel together. When looking at the global population then, those passing on the most genes are the least wealthy and least educated. That's true if you look at who is producing the most births in the US, India, or Ethiopia. China is a special case with their "one child" policy. But, would you argue that that policy, whatever else you may think about it, has played no role in China's economic growth?

Reality is the inverse of the result we would expect if the "passing on genes" is something the "fittest" are fighting to dominate or claiming as a prerogative of their fitness as demonstrated by their control of the available resources.

I see a creeping movement underway towards more global cooperation. Efforts to control global population are a cooperative effort. Scientific research is carried out and funded by international teams. Getting a handle on the globe's carbon footprint is an international effort. The International Space Station (ISS) is a collaborative effort. Sanctions applied to bad actor nations or ISIS-style groups are a multinational cooperative effort. The economy of any given nation has become more dependent on global factors and with more global inter-dependencies.

The people of the world are busy developing and leveraging shared values. We are communicating with each other in ways never before possible beyond stilted speeches delivered at a UN podium. We certainly have a ways to go before, "What if they gave a war and no one showed up?" can happen but we are moving in that direction. That is nothing to be grim about.

As nations gain wealth, we've learned that if you have money, you want less kids so you have more time to enjoy your money.
 
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I just read about Japan Air 1628! Amazing! This is the type of stories I was interested in when I started this thread. Seasoned professionals obviously seeing something!


It did convince Callahan- the FAA division chief.

The pilot Terauchi an ex fighter pilot had over 10,000 hours of flight experience seems credible also his account was backed up by the co-pilot and flight engineer.

PapaPerk if you found the JAL 1628 interesting I think you would enjoy this-
Black Box UFO Secrets - Top Documentary Films

It contains many recordings released through the freedom of information act and also contains much of the JAL 1628 communications.
 
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Its just a sad fact that the greatest advances in technology have always come from war...

It's my understanding that things like computer technology etc came from the space program (mainly Apollo)...also battery technology that has enabled the use of an array of cordless tools etc...it was the same battery technology that greatly contributed to mobile (cell) phones...

I could be misguided about the origin of technologies but it seems to me that computers, cordless tools and cell phones are a few great advancements in technology...
 
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Not much came from NASA
 
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No, it isn't that simple. Look at who is passing on the most genes now. It certainly isn't the smartest, most successful, advanced, and holding the most resources cohort of our species.

A frightening truth.
 
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Speaking of China and India were they not dynasties in the past?
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #336  
Necessity is the mother of invention. The question is will humans see the necessity while there is enough time for the invention part.

I agree completely.

With our current means of travel it would take at least one generation of time, maybe two generations to reach the nearest Galaxy that might or might not have an inhabitable planet. We are probably at least one generation, maybe two generations from developing the logistical ability to survive in space long enough to make the trip. So now we are three to four generations away from even the most remote possibility of extending human life beyond this planet. Wonder how many generations we have left here before we stupidly destroy it?? More than likely, accidently.
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #337  
A frightening truth.

And true, at least in part, because as "enlightened" societies, we have allowed our compassion and concern, for those less fortunate, to subvert nature's rule of survival of the fittest. In the US, it's all the hand out programs. In some third world countries, it's the care packages and foreign aid. The dumbing down effect has been at work for decades now, and is pervasive.

Just one small example. I have a grandson who is just brilliant - way smarter than I was as a kid (yeah, grandfathers always say that), but see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipSe9_vGih4

Anyway, in the public school Aidan goes to, they pair the brightest kid with the dumbest, then the next brightest with the next dumbest, etc. The teams work together, take tests together and share the same grades. This pulls the class average and thus the school's ratings up, and qualifies them for more money I suppose. It disincentivizes the brighter kids, and tends to drag them down as well while it masks the inabilities of the slower kids.

A side note to the Aidan video, we had no idea he knew that. His mom caught him on his bunk with 4 books open trying to read them all. He does speed read, and his comprehension and retention is boggling - - nerdy? Yup, but if he's not misdirected, should be an achiever. During one of the dinosaur things I stopped him, saying, "No, Aidan, they found out that last one was bogus". He said, something like, "No grandpa, Dr. XXXX and professor XXXX found the fossils along the Ubangee River in lower Slobolia in 1973." So what sounds like a rote memory exercise in the video, really isn't. He has an underlying in depth knowledge of it all! Poor kid.
 
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It disincentivizes the brighter kids, and tends to drag them down as well while it masks the inabilities of the slower kids.

Agreed. This is TRAGIC. The reasoning displayed in this twisted logic can be found in the concepts of; "It takes a village." and "Redistribution of Wealth."

I encourage almost all parents to seek out private education and make the sacrifices required for funding.
 
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Anyway, in the public school Aidan goes to, they pair the brightest kid with the dumbest, then the next brightest with the next dumbest, etc. The teams work together, take tests together and share the same grades. This pulls the class average and thus the school's ratings up, and qualifies them for more money I suppose. It disincentivizes the brighter kids, and tends to drag them down as well while it masks the inabilities of the slower kids.

I fought this concept as a First Sergeant in the Army for 20 years. I totally disagree with it. As you said, it demoralizes the top and makes the bottom dependent. Everybody isn't gonna be a rocket scientist. Someone has to sweep the floor.
 
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