UFO's... What do you think?

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/ UFO's... What do you think? #401  
Just how are we gonna get those folk in the Middle East to focus on an "all mankind" space program?.. They seem more focused on cutting peoples head off. Just saying. :confused3:

Don't know. Personally I think it comes down to figure that out or die off. It's not like it is totally impossible. As I pointed out earlier, religions induce people to transcend their natures. So do laws and punishments. It's good to remember that what happens today usually began in the past.

Wealthy and comfortable people do not rush to the barricades in any great numbers. Aside from the mental cases, the folks with nothing to lose are those who will join any cause that offers revenge or possible improvement. ISIS to me looks like quite an attraction to a psychopath who enjoys sadistic actions and murder.

There is an increasing international sharing of resources and joint projects by governments. I don't think contributing to a common goal means joining a "One World Order" but it does lead to more cooperation.

The globalization of commerce cannot exist without some coherence in laws and regulations. That globalization functions as non-governmental sharing of international resources. The various nations hosting portions of that global business willingly participate due to the derived national benefits.

The more nations are tied together economically, and the more equitably that takes place, the more they have to lose in war.
 
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Not just the Middle East even if that's the "hot spot" at this point in time. Frankly, I don't see peoples of Earth combing resource unless there's a unified world government...and it probably wouldn't be the Utopian future some of the airheads dream of...more likely a future version of Third Reich. The other possibility to bring mankind together would be some world wide threat (with a lot more certainty and credibility then "Global Warming") such as an asteroid of significant size with a high probability of colliding with the Earth. BTW, anyone seen the flick,"Interstellar", yet?

Yes I saw the movie. Thought it was very good!
 
/ UFO's... What do you think? #404  
IMO...Monies (billions) could be saved and redirected...monies lost to gov. by fraud etc and unnecessary programs like the ones that hand out free cell phones etc.etc...as well as monies wasted by the DOD etc...

But...I don't think Any redirected funds to NASA/space exploration etc...should be spent (right now) on trying to develop a program/craft (and underlying technologies) specifically to reach other worlds etc...

...Given the ideal that we humans do not wipe our own selves out over the next 100 years or so (keep the faith)...IMO the utmost thought should be given to protecting the planet from "natural things" we are aware of that could destroy us or reek havoc on our lives etc...but we have no current defense against...

It's unfortunate that al gore and his AGW disciples have poisoned the well when it comes to (falsely) alarming the masses...because there are much worse things to realize and truly be alarmed about enough to demand our government protect our infrastructures from natural catastrophes that could come from our own Sun or elsewhere in space...
...We should be utilizing current technology to master inner space and protect our planet before we try to conquer outer space...BTW we have already polluted the space surrounding Earth...maybe some of that redirected money could go to a program/craft that could start cleaning up after ourselves...!

For any approaching advanced alien life...just to get close to earth an alien commanded craft would have navigate through a literal junkyard of debris we've left floating around out there...nice welcome mat huh?...!

We already have a program in place with the intent of furthering the ability to reach other Worlds, International Space Station. No other reason for it to be up there.

I agree with you that we need to focus on extending the life of our Planet first.

I would suspect any Planet that has intelligent life that has progressed in any sort of manner similar to ours also has space junk issues to deal with.

Lastly, if you and I have developed the ability to visit a planet with intelligent life in a far off Galaxy, we will not be deterred by a little trash in their "yard". :)
 
/ UFO's... What do you think? #405  
NASA's Dawn spacecraft has begun approaching Ceres ahead of a historic March arrival at the mysterious dwarf planet.

Dawn has officially entered the Ceres approach phase, after recently emerging from behind the sun relative to Earth and thus coming back into reliable communication range. The probe is now about 400,000 miles (640,000 kilometers) from Ceres and is cruising toward the 590-mile-wide (950 km) object at 450 mph (725 km/h), NASA officials said.

Dawn should enter orbit around Ceres the largest object in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter on March 6, 2015. When that happens, the spacecraft will become the first ever to orbit two different unexplored solar system bodies. (Dawn circled the protoplanet Vesta, the asteroid belt's second-largest object, from July 2011 through September 2012.) [Photos: Asteroid Vesta and NASA's Dawn Spacecraft]

Mission team members, and space scientists around the world, are eager to see Ceres up close.

"Ceres is almost a complete mystery to us," Dawn principal investigator Christopher Russell, of UCLA, said in a statement. "Ceres, unlike Vesta, has no meteorites linked to it to help reveal its secrets. All we can predict with confidence is that we will be surprised."

While Ceres and Vesta reside in the same general neighborhood, they appear to be quite different from each other. For example, the 325-mile-wide (525 km) Vesta is thought to be a dry body, while Ceres possesses an icy mantle and might even harbor a subsurface ocean of liquid water. (Indeed, Ceres might be capable of supporting life as we know it, some researchers say.)

This difference may result from slightly different formation times. Scientists think Vesta came together a bit earlier than Ceres did, when radioactive material was more abundant in the solar system. Vesta's interior therefore likely incorporated more radioactive stuff, which generated more heat and drove away more water, NASA officials said.

The $466 million Dawn mission does not rely on tradititional chemical thrusters but rather employs a super-efficient ion propulsion system, in which ionized xenon gas is accelerated out the back of the spacecraft to generate thrust.

"Orbiting both Vesta and Ceres would be truly impossible with conventional propulsion. Thanks to ion propulsion, we're about to make history as the first spaceship ever to orbit two unexplored alien worlds," Dawn chief engineer and mission director Marc Rayman, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, said in the same statement.

While March 6 marks the beginning of orbital operations at Ceres, another milestone will come by the end of January: At that point, Dawn's photos will be the best ever captured of the dwarf planet, NASA officials said.

Dawn launched in 2007 on a mission to learn more about the solar system's early days, and the planet-formation process, by studying Vesta and Ceres. The probe's prime mission is scheduled to end in July 2015.

Space and NASA News
 
/ UFO's... What do you think? #406  
It will be interesting to see what they find at Ceres.

Figuring out the universe is a process of reverse engineering. It's like observing a machine, see what it does or doesn't do, take some measurements, do some verification tests, then deduce the parts it is constructed from and the rules it operates on. I think that is the case from Newtonian mechanics through quantum-scale particles.

But ... if what we see as our universe exists as some sort of anomaly that is nothing like the rest of whatever else is out there; how would we know? There could be an awesome keg party going on just around the cosmic corner and we are missing it. :laughing:


What lies beyond the edge of the Universe? | Space and Universe News
According to the “Theory of Cosmic Inflation”, the entire universe size is about 10 to the 23rd times larger than the size of the observable universe.

We are missing a lot of universe. The true thing is that – since we can’t see it or measure it, we don’t know what lies beyond the bounds of the observable universe. However, we have several theories.


First Theory

Astronomers think space outside of the observable universe might be an infinite expanse of what we see in the cosmos around us distributed pretty much the same as it is in the observable universe.

Now, if we say that – it is infinity. But “infinity” means that, beyond the observable universe, you won’t just find more planets and stars and other forms of material. You will eventually find every possible thing. “Every possible thing”, means that, somewhere out there, there is another person who is identical to you in every possible way. There is also you who is only *slightly* different from you in every possible way.

Second Theory

Another theory deals with the “Dark Flow”. Astronomers discovered something very strange and unexpected – galactic clusters were all streaming in the same direction at immense speed, over two million miles per hour. One possible cause: massive structures outside the observable universe exerting gravitational influence. As for the structures themselves, they could be literally anything: amazingly huge accumulations of matter and energy, or even bizarre warps in space-time that are funneling gravitational forces from other universes.

Third Theory

The another is “String Theory”. This theory asserts that our universe is but one space-time bubble among an infinite host of other parallel universes. So the whole of our universe would exist in a small “bubble” in the midst of a vast array of other bubbles. Theorists call this a “multiverse.” Interestingly, string theory supposes that these universes can come into contact with one another—gravity can flow between these parallel universes, and when they connect, a Big Bang like the one that created our universe occurs.

Final Verdict

These theories are just a few of the more popular hypotheses. There are a lot more out there. The concepts of dark matter and dark energy present frameworks for a plane of reality totally beyond our powers of observation. When it comes to finding the edges of the universe, we’ve really only just begun.
 
/ UFO's... What do you think? #407  
I think God found the universe in a box of Cracker Jacks and said this is the beginning of something big!
 
/ UFO's... What do you think? #408  
Then a little kid choked on the universe, his folks sued Cracker Jack, they took the cool toys away and now its boring.
 
/ UFO's... What do you think? #410  
There's no prize in every box? WTH?

I guess I should have been more sensitive, as yes, the toys were a choking hazard. However, I really miss the cool toys I got from Cracker Jack when I was a kid.

My favorite was a little plastic whistle. I got several over the years. Like these...
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/ UFO's... What do you think? #411  
Just read some article that the CIA tweeted on Monday that they admit to being the cause of half of the UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s. Who'd a thunk that? :laughing:
 
/ UFO's... What do you think? #413  
These theories are just a few of the more popular hypotheses. There are a lot more out there. The concepts of dark matter and dark energy present frameworks for a plane of reality totally beyond our powers of observation. When it comes to finding the edges of the universe, we've really only just begun.[/I]

Hypotheses are like aholes, everybody has one. Especially the academics looking for their next research grant. Have to laugh at the word "dark". What that really means is clueless. Doesn't mean we should stop seeking the Truth though. Stop seeking and we have no chance of avoiding inevitable extinction.

If the Universe has an "edge" then what is beyond the edge? We may never know because the Universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. So if Einstein was right (it's impossible for mass to move through space faster than the speed of light) it will be impossible to ever travel to the edge or even observe the edge.
 
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/ UFO's... What do you think? #415  
Hypotheses are like aholes, everybody has one. Especially the academics looking for their next research grant. Have to laugh at the word "dark". What that really means is clueless. Doesn't mean we should stop seeking the Truth though. Stop seeking and we have no chance of avoiding inevitable extinction.

If the Universe has an "edge" then what is beyond the edge? We may never know because the Universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. So if Einstein was right (it's impossible for mass to move through space faster than the speed of light) it will be impossible to ever travel to the edge or even observe the edge.


All we really "know" is what we think we can see or infer. I don't think we know very much at this point.

Hypotheses are a part of searching for the truth. Some of these things will never be verified unless there is an expectation of what to look for and how it would be detected. That's pretty common in complex physics experiments.
 
/ UFO's... What do you think? #416  
Just read some article that the CIA tweeted on Monday that they admit to being the cause of half of the UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s. Who'd a thunk that? :laughing:

That leaves half they don't claim credit for. Why would the CIA have been vetting UFO reports? Hmmmmm. :D
 
/ UFO's... What do you think? #417  
UFO's... What do you think?

"Think" may be too strong of word for the topic...but...>

Something I find puzzling is that the first public sector ventures into space are mostly geared to take spectators there merely for the novelty and the views...

Maybe it's going on in secret (no need for publicity) but I think there would be more to gain by more adventurous endeavors...like rare element mining (*and possibly finding new natural elements) and being able to change the orbits of anything big enough to land on, grab, or suck up...

...At the top of list I think would be creating crafts that are basically omnidirectional propulsion systems with the capability of landing on and anchoring themselves to asteroids etc. that both pose a danger to Earth and those that contain rare or unknown elements...and being able to slow down and change the orbits to where they no longer pose a danger or can put them in an orbit where another craft could mine them... like maybe around the moon (or Mars even) where refineries could be placed...we've already eliminated a lot of the unknowns about being able to get to the moon and back...and (in abstract) we know what can be done remotely under thousands of feet of water without human hands on contact...

...Granted, there is a big difference between taking sightseers up to or near low earth orbits for the thrill of it...and reaching into much more distant space (the virgin fishing grounds)...BUT IMO this is/will be or should be where the really smart money invests...

If you've read this much here is the summation of my 'outer limits' philosophy...(or like the plastic toy in the CJ box)...!

It is possible (like "anything")...that if there are other similar (humanoid, grey or even lizard-like etc.) civilizations beyond our solar system and they have the technology to transport themselves around the cosmos (or at least around the "local" galaxies, AKA UFO's)...it could be that wherever they are from they have access to elements we have no knowledge of...elements (etc.) that have allowed them the ability to create technologies we have no clue about...they could be no more socially or mentally etc. advanced than us but because they had different materials to work with, they could have mastered technologies unknown to us...
...We know very little about what's really "out there" (like the depths of the oceans on our own planet!)...

If the Earth is so unique (which it is) and maybe we are limited to using (utmost sense of the word) the elements/compounds we know about? and think that because another alien civilization can do things we cant is because they have superior (advanced) intellectual capabilities could be entirely off the wall...it could be that they simply had superior elements/compounds that would run like cars on water (if you get my drift...)...That is why we should be treating space like the pilgrims treated the new world (only with more integrity)...
 
/ UFO's... What do you think? #419  
What do you call an over-weight alien?



Extracholesterol
 
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