Tyre repair advice wanted

[Aussiebushman]

G'day from Oz. My Ford 6000 has a puncture in a 23.1.26 rear tyre and with each rim weighing over 250 Kg, removing this monster is not something I want to try for fun, especially without proper lifting gear.

The tyre itself is basically stuffed, but on a hobby farm, I cannot justify over $1200 to replace it and good second hand ones are like rocking horse poop. The tube was new only a few months ago - added when a previous puncture was repaired just before I acquired the tractor. That repair held until just last use, so I figure this is new damage. I do not think any of the foam sealants on its own will repair the tube because the leak seems to be very fast.

A possible solution might be to "convert" the tyre back to tubeless by replacing the (now missing) valve from the inside of the rim (if one can be put in from the outside without removing the tyre from the rim). This would at least close the 1/2 inch hole where the air is currently coming out. Air could still be pumped into the tube through the (outer) valve and maybe foam sealant would seal both the tube and around the rim.

Any ideas very much appreciated.

Cheers

Alan

 

[srjones]

Have you heard of this stuff?

Tube Sealant

I'm not sure where you'd find it locally, though.

 

[banjodunn]

G'day mate the best way to deal with it is to get a sleeve put in the tyre i know this means removing the tyre but if you are freindly with the local tyre dealer they will come out for not much but if you unbolt the rim of the cast centre they really aren't that bad to handle but be careful if the tyre is filled with water you will have to drain it first back your trailer/ute up to it and lay it straight on (trailer usually easier as it is lower) Good luck PS What part of aus are you in??

 

[Aussiebushman]

Thanks Guys

Re tube sealant, have not seen that particular brand but there are others around. The interesting thing about Slime is it claims to repair as well as protect, where the others only work on unpunctured tubes. I'll contact the manufacturers to see if they have a local agent.

Banjodunn's comment are helpful too and this suggestion may be the way to go, especially since the tube can be repaired while off the rim. I agree that getting the rim off should not be that hard due to that great stuff called gravity, plus a tackle to drag the unit up onto the trailer bed. It is getting the ******* back on that worries me - lifting and aligning.

Any thoughts on my original suggestion of retro fitting a valve from the outside of the rim? I know these are push-in fittings, but do not know if they can be fitted from the outside with the tyre in place.

The tractor is at a bush property about halp way between Oberon and Goulburn in NSW

Cheers

Alan

 

[woodchuckie]

I don't think a tubeless valve can be put in from the outside, but you could possibly break the bead from the rim at valve and put one in although I wouldn't want to try it. If you happen to have a huge portable vice you could put it in or whatever you have. Half the stuff I do, I have to figure a way to get it done by just looking at what tools I have and figuring it out.

 

[Aussiebushman]

You are probably right about it not being possible to fit a valve from the outside - certainly the push-in type. However, because very low tyre pressure is involved, I was thinking about tapping a thread into the hole in the rim and using a screw-in valve in without the backing nut.

Anyone sane would just get the thing fixed professionally, but it is amazing how many jobs can be done with a bit of innovation

Cheers

Alan

 

[banjodunn]

Hi alan you prob wont have much luck with tapping a thread even though it looks hefty the wall thickness of the rim would only give you 1 to 1 1/2 threads and you need the flange on the back of the screw up valves to make it seal you can get it back on with a couple of good crowbars and a couple of stubbies for your mate down the road to help you or you could just wait til winter fill it with water and let nature do the rest spent the coldest night i've ever had at oberon and that was in the start of january


JD

 

[SimS]

There are tools for inserting tubeless valve stems without dismounting the tire (tyre) from the rim. Stride Tool Inc. - Imperialｮ Brake Service Tools

Good luck

SimS

 

[ArTrvlr]

There are tools for inserting tubeless valve stems without dismounting the tire (tyre) from the rim. Stride Tool Inc. - Imperialｮ Brake Service Tools

Good luck

SimS

Yep, it can be done. That is a manual version, similar to one we had at a place I used to work. It used air pressure to pop the valve stem into the hole. I don't remember the brand, it was old back when I was young, may not even be made anymore.
jp

 

[Deerlope]

Look for Muliti seal web site on google, then read what they say about Hydro seal. As soon as it warms up a bit around here I am having it put in my rear tires.

 

[woodchuckie]

There are tools for inserting tubeless valve stems without dismounting the tire (tyre) from the rim. Stride Tool Inc. - Imperialｮ Brake Service Tools

Good luck

SimS

Your still have to break the bead from the rim, right? If I can brake the bead off I can also reach inside to put the new stem in and screw onto it with my core remover and install it.

 

[Soundguy]

break her down.. remove any debri.. boot/patch and go with a good tube.. lots of work.. but best results..

soundguy

 

[Bedlam]

tHUMBS UP TO sOUNDGUYS IDEA

 

[Sully2]

G'day from Oz. My Ford 6000 has a puncture in a 23.1.26 rear tyre and with each rim weighing over 250 Kg, removing this monster is not something I want to try for fun, especially without proper lifting gear.

The tyre itself is basically stuffed, but on a hobby farm, I cannot justify over $1200 to replace it and good second hand ones are like rocking horse poop. The tube was new only a few months ago - added when a previous puncture was repaired just before I acquired the tractor. That repair held until just last use, so I figure this is new damage. I do not think any of the foam sealants on its own will repair the tube because the leak seems to be very fast.

A possible solution might be to "convert" the tyre back to tubeless by replacing the (now missing) valve from the inside of the rim (if one can be put in from the outside without removing the tyre from the rim). This would at least close the 1/2 inch hole where the air is currently coming out. Air could still be pumped into the tube through the (outer) valve and maybe foam sealant would seal both the tube and around the rim.

Any ideas very much appreciated.

Cheers

Alan

Ive helped my farmer buddy numerous times fixing flats on his tractors. With 2 people its not as bad as one might think.
Tractor is on a jack stand; tire unbolted and allowed to drop right where its at. Hand tools ( tire spoons..sledge hammer for braking the bead lose..etc) are used. Tube gets removed and a patch vulcanized inside the TIRE..to plug any holes. Unless the tube is of very recent vintage...a new TUBE gets installed.

Whole thing gets reassembled and lifted into position ( 2 of us now) and bolted up tight...and the air compressor finishes out the repair.

Its not easy..but with 2 people its not a killer either

 

[Soundguy]

AND you know it's done right, and not gonna start leaking magic goo out on ya while going downt he road hauling an implement to/from your farm.. etc.

soundguy

 

[alchemysa]

G'day from Oz. My Ford 6000 has a puncture in a 23.1.26 rear tyre and with each rim weighing over 250 Kg, removing this monster is not something I want to try for fun, especially without proper lifting gear.
Alan

Bite the bullet and fix it properly by taking the wheel off. A half-baked repair that constantly leaks will drive you nuts. With the wheel off you can patch the tube and have a good look at the inside of the tyre for any damage. And rub a big rag around the inside of the tyre. It should catch on any small nails or pins you might miss with a visual inspection.

Theres a remote chance a heap of slime in the tube might seal it but its a VERY remote chance and it's not cheap for that much slime. And you've still got to find the cause of the puncture anyway. If you don't get it out it could slash the tube beyond repair.