TYM 293 or Kioti CK20

[tkappeler]

Well, I appreciate all of the advice in my initial thread.

I am down to the TYM 293 or the Kioti CK20.

	TYM 293	Kioti CK20
HP	29	23
Rear Remotes	Yes	No
Quick Attach for FEL	Yes	No
Bucket Size	54"	48"
Weight	1980	2138
Warranty	5 years	4 years

All other things are about equal. I can do a quick attach for the CK20 through ATI for $315 + bucket adjustment (weld on plate or possible CK27 bucket by dealer).

If you had to pick from these only, which one would it be and why?

Settlement on the new property in 1-2 weeks and pulling the trigger after that.

 

[case245]

are you worried about resale value

 

[tkappeler]

I had thought of that but I do not see our needs drastically changing. I can only imagine an upgrade if we drastically underestimate the actual units to the desired duties. If that happens, than I have bigger problems than the resale value.

Do you see the resale values being drastically different? Which one would be better/worse?

 

[IslandTractor]

I had thought of that but I do not see our needs drastically changing. I can only imagine an upgrade if we drastically underestimate the actual units to the desired duties. If that happens, than I have bigger problems than the resale value.

Do you see the resale values being drastically different? Which one would be better/worse?

Kioti might have a slight advantage but I don't think either brand has a big advantage. I loved my CK20 but have never seen the TYM so cannot compare.

 

[Gittyup]

If priced close, I'd go with the tym. Simply more tractor, and a nice setup too. The kioti will hold its value better though.

 

[tkappeler]

If priced close, I'd go with the tym. Simply more tractor, and a nice setup too. The kioti will hold its value better though.

Dang. Forgot to put the price in.


TYM - 14,750, Kioti - 14,150

 

[case245]

i would say the TYM did you look at a kubota B series they have far better resale because i know in a few years you will want to upgrade just dont want to see you spent say 20k and get back 5k on the tym or koiti when you resale it

 

[tkappeler]

yes, we looked at the B2320 and B2620. Discounted them for a variety of reasons. Really narrowed it down to the two above. We have 3.5 acres. Both of these will do everything we expect and more.

 

[IslandTractor]

i would say the TYM did you look at a kubota B series they have far better resale because i know in a few years you will want to upgrade just dont want to see you spent say 20k and get back 5k on the tym or koiti when you resale it

Those are ridiculous estimates of resale value on the TYM and Kioti. They don't have the JD or Kubota premium on resale but they hold their value well. I paid $15K for a new 2004 CK20 TLB and traded it in (after settling on new tractor price) for $12K two years and about 250 hrs later. The main barrier to higher resale on used recent tractors these days is that new tractors come with low interest loans and fresh warranties.

 

[XSKIER]

Dang. Forgot to put the price in.

TYM - 14,750, Kioti - 14,150

So, does $14,150 kioti include quick attach bucket and rear remote?

Doesn't much matter anyhow, the TYM is way nicer.

 

[tkappeler]

No, the 14,150 does NOT include the quick attach bracket. Add that and you are up to 14,465 and then I have to get the dealer to kick in the CK27 QA bucket.

I think I am talking myself into the TYM.

 

[lilranch2001]

We had a TYM dealer here in town for 4-5 years, they folded, no one would buy the TYM;s

 

[IslandTractor]

We had a TYM dealer here in town for 4-5 years, they folded, no one would buy the TYM;s

This is a fair consideration. I don't doubt TYM builds excellent durable tractors but without sufficient volume no dealer or distributor can stay in business long. Although it is hardly scientific, just look at the comparative interest in purchasing new TYM vs Kioti tractors on this forum by counting the number of new threads in the buying/pricing subforum for each brand. There have been nine new threads since January 2012 for TYM. There have been that many in the past week or so for Kioti.

Kubota started the modern CUT business and JD, NH and MF were already well established so could jump in pretty easily. Mahindra and Kioti have been pretty successful in building business over the past ten years or so. That means there are already at least six brands already better established than TYM. Branson and a few others are out there too and someday soon we'll see a major push by a Chinese company. I don't know how much room there is for TYM unless they figure out some angle that has yet to be exploited. TYM tractors are solid but don't have any real advantage technologically. TYM can try to compete on price which worked well for Kioti but being the last to the market with a low price strategy means you have thin margins and little capital to build business infrastructure or to survive lean years.

I have a neighbor with a Belarus tractor from the 1980's. He loves it and keeps it running but finds it difficult to get unique parts etc. There are other well made tractor brands that have also lost distributor and dealer support and that is not a pleasant circumstance for an owner. This is not to say that only JD and Kubota are to be trusted but rather that the further down the list you go the greater the chance that even a well designed and built tractor brand might not survive in the market. Mahindra and Kioti seem to have jumped that hurdle but I'm not sure how many more companies will be able to do that before the market is fully saturated.

 

[Airedale]

Island tractor has made some valid points but I would not place a whole lot of weight in the number of posts in the TYM forum as much of a deciding factor on whether to buy or not to buy. I know of several TYM tractor owners near me that are very happy with their tractors but they do not belong to this or any other tractor forum, they are just not interested in such.

As for the two choices proposed by the poster, I think both are good tractors and he would not go wrong with either.
The main thing with any tractor purchase is to find a good dealer within a reasonable distance that is a straight shooter you believe in.

Al

 

[lilranch2001]

Island tractor has made some valid points but I would not place a whole lot of weight in the number of posts in the TYM forum as much of a deciding factor on whether to buy or not to buy. I know of several TYM tractor owners near me that are very happy with their tractors but they do not belong to this or any other tractor forum, they are just not interested in such.

As for the two choices proposed by the poster, I think both are good tractors and he would not go wrong with either.
The main thing with any tractor purchase is to find a good dealer within a reasonable distance that is a straight shooter you believe in.

Al

I would add one more thing, a dealer you know will stay in business.
That is why I chose Bobcat
I started with Kubota ( loved some aspects of it, did not like the chincyness of the controls, went to Deere, was very pricey, and Dealers were arrogant, went to a New Holland dealer, but didnt want to drive 60 miles out of my way all the time, went to Kioti, loved the tractor but the dealer was 50 miles away, looked at the TYM, that dealer was just a little more than a stones throw away from my house, liked the tractor, but was talking to a neighbor and he cautioned me not to buy it, the dealership was in serious money trouble, and then I saw an ad for a new model tractor..... They birthed the new Bobcat, and the local Bobcat Dealer was less than a mile away from my work as the crow flys. I went in, they made me a great deal, and loved the tractor ever since.
:thumbsup:

 

[Gittyup]

The tough part is the tym: u won't find that much tractor for that price anywhere else. And it is a good design. So more tractor? Or better dealer network? Not an easy decision.

 

[tkappeler]

The tough part is the tym: u won't find that much tractor for that price anywhere else. And it is a good design. So more tractor? Or better dealer network? Not an easy decision.

Amen to that. That's why I look to the experienced sages here.

Looked at BBB today to see how strong TYM is financially. TYM-USA in Oregon is listed in the Tractor Distributors & Manufacturers category and had an F rating with one unresolved complaint. The phone has been disconnected there.

TYM-USA in Wilson, NC is listed as a Tractor Dealer, and has an A- rating. Why isn't it under the same Distributors & Manufacturers category?

I also saw something on another forum where a person had some not so nice things to say about the same dealer I would have to deal with.

I was all set to dismiss TYM but still hung up on the Quick Attach feature. Someone recommended Bobcat as they are the same as Kioti but can come with the Quick Attach as a factory option. Great Now I have more to look at, at least it is the same tractor. I am waiting on a call from a local Bobcat dealer on the price of the CT122 with quick attach.

Maybe I should change the title of my thread to "Kioti CK20 or Bobcat CT122"

 

[woodlandfarms]

First and foremost it comes down to dealer service. Not the dealer but the service dept. at the end of the day I bet if you looked at statistics most manufacturers would have around the same failure rate. I personally really like the tym line. A lot of bang for the buck. But it is not well known, similar to the kioti I feel. Not going to get the most dollars back in resale. I don't know for sure but tym Oregon and tym Wilson was a poorly designed idea to distribute the tract. Something to keep two investors happy. Tym had to cut back as everyone did and they closed the Oregon building.

Anyway.. At thi point in the economy if a ealer is still around they probably will be for a lot longer... Don't think that buying a deer or kubota is going to give you dealer Peirce of mind as I know a number of people in the Midwest whose local dealers folded.