Truck weight registration

[Rock knocker]

Don't do it in KY. Now this is atleast according to the KY Vehicle Enforcement Officer that travels the state doing trainings and seminars for companies that want to try and stay in compliance.
Question asked to him. What license is required for a 9200# truck with a 18000# trailer?
His answer. 9200#+18000#=27200#. CDL. And trailer is over 10000#. So class A CDL.

Former company had them in after loosing their ability to move Hazardous Materials. Yes too many tickets on a DOT Number without passed inspections to offset and the Feds start taking away what you can haul. No call or nothing. Just a letter from Federal DOT.

Correct, gross over 26K and the trailer is over 10K.

 

[tedmed0302]

Gents, a Person with a Class B license---can take a trailer up to 10,000 with his truck regardless of gross and be ok. As soon as you cross 10,000 on the trailer a Class A is needed---IF you are a Class B driver. However, a Non-CDL Person can not cross 26,000 single or combined. Ask any Inspector/Trooper. What he is saying is Grampa (anyone non-CDL) can jump in his GMC 26,000 Dump Truck full of stone (but not overweight) and hook up a Tag Trailer at 10,000 with say a Bobcat on it and be fine---at 36,000 combined. However if Grampa hooks up his 11,000 trailer by mistake (forgot his glasses and they look identical), he won't be fine because he is over 10,000----and at 37,000 combined. Is this the correct logic? We are ok at 36,000 combined (going by the rules---actually your rules) but not ok above this for a NON-CDL person---because the limits are what people---not just "Truck Drivers" need to know here... Folks my dog agrees with me to stay under 26,000 combined in MA and KY (so far) if you don't have a CDL, but that's up to you!!

 

[tedmed0302]

Norm, I like the flow chart, but where did you get it? By the way it reads I'm "incorrect" at saying over 26 combined equals a CDL though, LoL!! Which is scary to think Grampa can run the roads at 36,000 combined, no CDL!!

 

[Jstpssng]

Norm, I like the flow chart, but where did you get it? By the way it reads I'm "incorrect" at saying over 26 combined equals a CDL though, LoL!! Which is scary to think Grampa can run the roads at 36,000 combined, no CDL!!

Then you have the agricultural exemption... but now I am muddying the waters and confusing people as mentioned in post 42.

 

[farmer2009]

Gents, a Person with a Class B license---can take a trailer up to 10,000 with his truck regardless of gross and be ok. As soon as you cross 10,000 on the trailer a Class A is needed---IF you are a Class B driver. However, a Non-CDL Person can not cross 26,000 single or combined. Ask any Inspector/Trooper. What he is saying is Grampa (anyone non-CDL) can jump in his GMC 26,000 Dump Truck full of stone (but not overweight) and hook up a Tag Trailer at 10,000 with say a Bobcat on it and be fine---at 36,000 combined. However if Grampa hooks up his 11,000 trailer by mistake (forgot his glasses and they look identical), he won't be fine because he is over 10,000----and at 37,000 combined. Is this the correct logic? We are ok at 36,000 combined (going by the rules---actually your rules) but not ok above this for a NON-CDL person---because the limits are what people---not just "Truck Drivers" need to know here... Folks my dog agrees with me to stay under 26,000 combined in MA and KY (so far) if you don't have a CDL, but that's up to you!!

I agree with the first half of your post but then you flip. A 36000# combination vehicle would require a class B CDL.

 

[Rock knocker]

I agree with the first half of your post but then you flip. A 36000# combination vehicle would require a class B CDL.

Depends on how it was comprised. If composed of a straight truck exactly 26K towing a trailer exactly 10K, no endorsement is needed.


Who Needs a CDL?

Ted is just rambling nonsense

 

[Rock knocker]

Gents, a Person with a Class B license---can take a trailer up to 10,000 with his truck regardless of gross and be ok. As soon as you cross 10,000 on the trailer a Class A is needed---IF you are a Class B driver. A driver with a regular DL can exceed 10K on a trailer if his gross does not exceed 26K However, a Non-CDL Person can not cross 26,000 single or combined. Not correct Ask any Inspector/Trooper. What he is saying is Grampa (anyone non-CDL) can jump in his GMC 26,000 Dump Truck full of stone (but not overweight) and hook up a Tag Trailer at 10,000 with say a Bobcat on it and be fine---at 36,000 combined. That is right However if Grampa hooks up his 11,000 trailer by mistake (forgot his glasses and they look identical), he won't be fine because he is over 10,000----and at 37,000 combined. Is this the correct logic? We are ok at 36,000 combined (going by the rules---actually your rules) No but not ok above this for a NON-CDL person---because the limits are what people---not just "Truck Drivers" need to know here... Folks my dog agrees with me to stay under 26,000 combined in MA and KY (so far) if you don't have a CDL, but that's up to you!!

Corrections noted

 

[tedmed0302]

LoL! If my rambling shakes the tree of knowledge enough that we get the right answers to fall out of it for the benefit of the group, then so be it!!! So in conclusion, my understanding of the rules had me way on the low side of things for the Non-CDL people. My apologies to anyone in that boat, but watch out when your trailer is 10,001 and up, because your truck rating combined may or may not require a Class A CDL... Nanna can haul her 25' Chris Craft (9900lbs) with her Diesel Pusher Bus Motor Home (26,000lbs) and not need a CDL!!! I think some people mentioned that crap scares them more----well me too knowing what I do now!!!! Good Lord help us all!!! I just thought those people had a CDL or were 26,000 or under combined (my former understanding of it).

 

[BHD]

I had a question on a old truck one time, and I needed to move it, and to register it and license it was out ragous IMO. and they changed some rules to increases state revenue, by back charging if you did not keep the license plates current,

and I got thinking one day so I called a different office, and started to ask about the rules of towing the truck,

no license was necessary on the towed truck and was legal (at least at that time to move from coast to coast) if the towing unit was properly licensed, and insured, all it need was s et of magnet tail lights on the back iend, and a sign that said in tow,

so I made a tow bar for the truck for the few times I needed to move it to a different location,

as long as I was not on a road and on private property no license or insurance was needed.

 

[aczlan]

lately i see rental box trucks that actually state in stenciled letters " LESS THAN 26000 "
I can remember a few years ago when they might actually stencil 26k.. etc. but seeing 'less than' is more common...

Yep. Most have had that around here for a few years.
Many also list an unladen weight so that you cant say that you didn't know how much it weighed empty.

That's federal: also, if your trailer is over 2000lbs your vehicle is supposed to be register for the gvwr of the tow vehicle AND trailer. If the trailer is over 3000 lbs you're required to hagw brakes on all axles... any vehicle weighing over 6000 lbs is SUPPOSED to hage commercial plates in this state at least... curb weight of most full sized pickups and SUVs approach or exceed that weight with 2 passengers and no payload.

IIRC, Federal actually only requires brakes on one axle if the trailer GVW if over 30 pounds.

Doesn't work like that. A CDL in that case would only be required if the trailer exceeded 10,000 pounds, as long as the truck was 26K or less.
Please see section 1
http://www.massrmv.com/rmv/cdlmanual/CDL_Manual_Part_1.pdf

Not quite. Your link states that a CDL is required for:
1. A single vehicle with a GVWR over 26k
2. A trailer with a GVWR over 10k IF the truck GVWR and the trailer GVWR combined are over 26k.
(same rules as NY)
So, a 12,001# trailer behind a 14,001# truck is illegal without a CDL because the combined GVWR is over 26k. A 11,999# trailer behind a 13,999# truck is legal without a CDL because the combined GVWR is not more than 26,000#.

Aaron Z

 

[Rock knocker]

Yep. Most have had that around here for a few years.
Many also list an unladen weight so that you cant say that you didn't know how much it weighed empty.


IIRC, Federal actually only requires brakes on one axle if the trailer GVW if over 30 pounds.


Not quite. Your link states that a CDL is required for:
1. A single vehicle with a GVWR over 26k
2. A trailer with a GVWR over 10k IF the truck GVWR and the trailer GVWR combined are over 26k.
(same rules as NY)
So, a 12,001# trailer behind a 14,001# truck is illegal without a CDL because the combined GVWR is over 26k. A 11,999# trailer behind a 13,999# truck is legal without a CDL because the combined GVWR is not more than 26,000#.

Aaron Z

You're right Aczlan, I understand it correctly, but wrote it wrong

 

[Rock knocker]

LoL! If my rambling shakes the tree of knowledge enough that we get the right answers to fall out of it for the benefit of the group, then so be it!!! So in conclusion, my understanding of the rules had me way on the low side of things for the Non-CDL people. My apologies to anyone in that boat, but watch out when your trailer is 10,001 and up, because your truck rating combined may or may not require a Class A CDL... Nanna can haul her 25' Chris Craft (9900lbs) with her Diesel Pusher Bus Motor Home (26,000lbs) and not need a CDL!!! I think some people mentioned that crap scares them more----well me too knowing what I do now!!!! Good Lord help us all!!! I just thought those people had a CDL or were 26,000 or under combined (my former understanding of it).

Hey Ted, you're alright! We've had this discussion here before, and often guys with CDL's will wrongly tell us how dumb we are because we don't believe their erroneous views. They then have a full fledged inter net melt down and get banned. Case485 had the most beautiful melt-down of all.

 

[farmer2009]

Never realized until now that you could pull a 10000# behind a 26000# truck with out a CDL. Always thought that required a class B CDL. Because your over 26001# combined. But when I look at your link and the flow chart at about post 47. It all reads the same. That flow chart is te one in the CDL manual also.

Oh well. I always play on the safe side by having a class A CDL.

I know what you mean about these discussions because I have been in them before over in the transportation thread. I always unsubscribed from the thread when it started to get bad. And now I no longer visit that board.

 

[Soundguy]

probbaly why you see these guys with 10k 1tons and 14k trailers running around. all under 26 ( 24 even )..

 

[aczlan]

Never realized until now that you could pull a 10000# behind a 26000# truck with out a CDL. Always thought that required a class B CDL. Because your over 26001# combined. But when I look at your link and the flow chart at about post 47. It all reads the same. That flow chart is te one in the CDL manual also.

It depends on the state. NY says that over 26k combined with a trailer over 10k requires a CDL.
So, a 12,000# truck pulling a 14k trailer is fine, but a 12,001# truck with a 14k trailer is not.

Aaron Z

 

[Rock knocker]

It depends on the state.

It's really all Federal in a round about way. The Feds allow the states to have their own rules, but they are in violation of federal law and will loose federal funding if they do not meet the minimal fed standards. And if they exceed the federal standards they could run afoul of interstate commerce laws.

Kind of like how the states decide their own drinking age, but if it is not at least 21, the feds take their money.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

If you put farm plates on it you won't need a CDL. Farm equipment is exempt.

 

[bcp]

If you put farm plates on it you won't need a CDL. Farm equipment is exempt.

Depends on the state how they regulate farm trucks and drivers.

Washington truck license:
WA State Licensing (DOL) Official Site: DOT numbers for intrastate commercial vehicles
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Flow chart for CDL:
WA State Licensing (DOL) Official Site: Who needs a CDL?
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Washington CDL farm exemptions.
WA State Licensing (DOL) Official Site: Who doesn

Bruce

 

[tcartwri]

If you put farm plates on it you won't need a CDL. Farm equipment is exempt.

Your also limited to a 150 mile radius from home.