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and Henro is worried about drilling holes in his ROPS!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I wonder how "stupid is" with that boat underneath the hole mess up above. That piling could move at any time and you ain't going to move that boat fast enough to get away. It would be interesting to see if they actually disconnected the cars above the pilling and pulled the train out from both directions.

Good story though
murph
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It would be interesting to see if they actually disconnected the cars above the pilling and pulled the train out from both directions.
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Yeah, my suggestion was to pull on both ends of the train and find somebody with a really low IQ to go out there and disconnect between the two cars. Maybe one of the guys in the boat is a good candidate. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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Interesting story--any residents living in that area should be very grateful the tank cars were loaded with lightweight inert materials instead of heavy flammable liquids, corrosives, or other hazardous materials. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( grateful the tank cars were loaded with lightweight inert materials instead of heavy flammable liquids, corrosives, or other hazardous materials. )</font>

I think you are right. Recently we have had two train derailments near me and one leaked a lot of hydrogen peroxide and bottles of wine. Luckily it wasn't too hard to clean up. ...of course all the folks within a 1-mile radius woke up with blond hair and drunk. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

That bridge in Livingston is very interesting and unique according to my friend's father-in-law. It has 5 sections and they are all different. It's like each section was engineered by a different person. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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What is amazing to me is that the bridge is 70 years old and they are just going to replace one section. Plus it said carries 8 trains a day.
Call me crazy(most people do), but I think it would be time for a new bridge.
 
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Railroad mentality does not provide for a "Clean-Sweep" Rejuvenation.........To them Time is Mega-Bucks.So They always take the "Quick-Fix"

Eight Trains a Day is very Light traffic. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Railroad mentality does not provide for a "Clean-Sweep" Rejuvenation.........To them Time is Mega-Bucks.So They always take the "Quick-Fix"

Eight Trains a Day is very Light traffic. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif )</font>

They take the quick fix so they can keep the frieght going. In the area of our cabin there has been three derailments in the last 6 years. The last one the train derailed about 35 cars at 4 in the moring and by noon they had trains going through again on one set of tracks. They came in each time and pushed the cars away from the tracks with big bulldozers and they then set pre-built tracks in and one line open. In the next week they finished cleaning all the other cars up hauling them out or cutting up whatever and finished re-doing the second line. Amazing as good ole Burlington Northern only slowed up deliveries by 8 hours for the most part except for the cars that derailed.

murph /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
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Jinman:

Without getting into a lengthy reply, I see from the position of the engine, I'd say that the engineer was in a braking mode as he crossed the bridge. All bridges are built on trunnions. The spans actually move laterally. If the spans were ridged, the effects of thermal expansion and contraction would cause the bridge to destroy itself. As a locomotive and its consist (cars) move across a span, the engineer cannot apply the brakes, as the weight of the locomotives and cars will cause the span to shift violently in the direction of the forward movement of the train. That is what it looks like happened here. If you cross and highway span, you will notice metal plates at each end. These plates are overlapped to cover the gap allowed for movement. In large spans, finger joints are used. If you sit in a stationary position on a bridge or span and there is vehicular traffic movement on the span, you can feel the movement relative to the flow of vehicles. Without that movement, the span would self-destruct.

If you take a 60 ton locomotive and a number of cars at say 30,000 pounds each and slam on the brakes on a span, the result would be what is in the picture.
 
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Daryl, that's a perfect explanation and makes perfect sense to me. I do think this old bridge in Livingston was getting "a little long in the tooth" and needed to be repaired. The one-time stress of a train braking, caused it to almost completely collapse. One thing for sure, it could have been a lot worse than it was. At least the train didn't get wet. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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The weight of the cars is actually a lot more than 30,000 lb. and I agree about Him applying the brakes as you can sure not stop a train on a dime by any means.

I would doubt seriously if he was using "dynamic" braking.
 
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Tomnky:

The article stated that the cars, with the exception of one, were empty, at least the ones on the bridge.

I have a acquaintance who is an engineer for Norfolk & Western. If an engineer applies the brakes on a bridge in any manner other than an emergency procedure, they can be fired.

Of course the media who wrote the article drew conclusions about the structural integrity of the bridge instead of the actual cause. I would be willing to bet the engineer lost his job if he didn't prove to the company it was an emergency. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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My brother cleaned up a 12 car derailment with an excavator a few years ago it was loaded with rolls of paper lol they stopped before the 3 containers of new Fords got there. He wanted to swipe one real bad lol. Talk about clean up in a town i worked in they had a tractor trailer rig loaded with Budlight and Smirnoff Ice rolled ovver comming off a ramp and it had taffic bloed.The only tow available was too little and the cops had to baricade it. They were worried about moving it. We took a loader off the job and rolled it back over. The cops couldnt think of cleaning it up to reopen for traffic. In about 20 minutes there wsnt a full bottle to be found. Its amazing how fast alcohol evaporates.
 
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The engines have data recorders on them ,At least the newer ones do and I would say these in the pics do have them.
And yes you can put money on it that , There will for sure be an investigation with that kind of damage.
 
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My buddy cleaned up an overturned ice cream truck once. 80,000 lbs. of ice cream, truck, and trailer. Took about 4-5 hrs loading into dumps. Said when he got there, the truck driver was eating ice cream and when he left the driver was still eating. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( they had a tractor trailer rig loaded with Budlight and Smirnoff Ice )</font>

When I was a kid, we lived near a railroad track, and the end of a boxcar full of wheat pulled out. They cleaned up the tracks, but still left a lot of wheat around. My dad made me take buckets down and pick up that wheat by hand. He had lived through the depression and just could not stand to see all that wheat go to waste on the tracks.

We didn't have any grain fields or anything to feed the wheat to, so after about 4 years, we threw it away when my dad was at work. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif He never mentioned it again. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Jim, sounds like my Dad (or maybe even me). /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Did you ever boil just plain wheat, then drain off the water, add sugar and milk (or cream) for a breakfast cereal? Or just get a mouthfull of raw (uncooked) wheat and chew on it; makes pretty chewing gum.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( When I was a kid, we lived near a railroad track, and the end of a boxcar full of wheat pulled out. They cleaned up the tracks, but still left a lot of wheat around. My dad made me take buckets down and pick up that wheat by hand. He had lived through the depression and just could not stand to see all that wheat go to waste on the tracks.

We didn't have any grain fields or anything to feed the wheat to, so after about 4 years, we threw it away when my dad was at work. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif He never mentioned it again. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif )</font>


I swear my dad will pick up a bolt that is twisted, threads beat all too and keep it as he might need it some day. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Need it for what I would ask him. Well someday he may have time to clean it up and straighten it out, yeah right.

murph
 
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I recall fighting a fire in a box car full of kitchen plastic wrap. They were welding on the front of the box car and the heat ignited a few boxes at the front of the car. Smokey fire but not much flame until we got real close to the boxes burning. We had to empty half of the car to get to the fire. We had a huge pile of boxes of plastic wrap sitting at the side of the tracks. One of the guys asked the supervisor from the rail line what they were going to do with all those boxes of kitchen wrap? He said why you want some?? Lets say they did not have to dispose of much after the fire. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif We all had a life time supply of kitchen wrap for the entire FD. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 

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