trailer weights 9990 or 10000

[CumminsLuke]

Axle ratios? Why do you keep bringing this up? Axle capacity is what counts, not ratio.

Axle ratio directly affects the GCWR, at least with Dodge. A truck with a 4.10 axle ratio in many cases has a higher GCWR than a truck with a 3.73 axle ratio.

 

[CumminsLuke]

I don't know, I am tired of debating.

I know I am HIGHLY ILLEGAL the way I am running. I am having a big problem deciding what to do right now. I am thinking about selling my three axle trailer that has a 24,000lb GVW and going to a 2 axle trailer that has a 14k GVW and going to a mega cab dually (Dodge) which has a GVW of 10.5k instead of 12.2K like the quad cab dually we run now. Or going to a Chevy crew cab dually (I have one ordered) with an 11.4k GVW. Any of those combos would get me back under 26k and out of the troubling territory I am in now. I have just gotten to like being able to haul two trucks and a Jeep all at once. I am thinking about going to this trailer here and having them make it about a 40' deck instead of the 36' that it is. I'd be losing 8' of deck and one axle. I would put 14 ply tires on it instead of those crappy 10 ply they come with. The trailer I have now came out with 10 ply tires and I had trouble, switched to 14 ply with metal valve stems and 100psi and have never had a flat or blow out since.

 

[kevinj]

I AGREE! !!!

LMAO.

At last..................you two agree on something.

 

[Builder]

I don't know, I am tired of debating.

I know I am HIGHLY ILLEGAL the way I am running. I am having a big problem deciding what to do right now. I am thinking about selling my three axle trailer that has a 24,000lb GVW and going to a 2 axle trailer that has a 14k GVW and going to a mega cab dually (Dodge) which has a GVW of 10.5k instead of 12.2K like the quad cab dually we run now. Or going to a Chevy crew cab dually (I have one ordered) with an 11.4k GVW. Any of those combos would get me back under 26k and out of the troubling territory I am in now. I have just gotten to like being able to haul two trucks and a Jeep all at once. I am thinking about going to this trailer here and having them make it about a 40' deck instead of the 36' that it is. I'd be losing 8' of deck and one axle. I would put 14 ply tires on it instead of those crappy 10 ply they come with. The trailer I have now came out with 10 ply tires and I had trouble, switched to 14 ply with metal valve stems and 100psi and have never had a flat or blow out since.

Why don't you get yourself a medium or heavy single axle tractor with a 5th wheel and tow any trailer you want? Just get your CDL and get it overwith. You know you want to have one.

Chevy Crew cab, huh? I thought you were "Cummins" Luke?

 

[kevinj]

I don't know, I am tired of debating.

I know I am HIGHLY ILLEGAL the way I am running. I am having a big problem deciding what to do right now. I am thinking about selling my three axle trailer that has a 24,000lb GVW and going to a 2 axle trailer that has a 14k GVW and going to a mega cab dually (Dodge) which has a GVW of 10.5k instead of 12.2K like the quad cab dually we run now. Or going to a Chevy crew cab dually (I have one ordered) with an 11.4k GVW. Any of those combos would get me back under 26k and out of the troubling territory I am in now. I have just gotten to like being able to haul two trucks and a Jeep all at once. I am thinking about going to this trailer here and having them make it about a 40' deck instead of the 36' that it is. I'd be losing 8' of deck and one axle. I would put 14 ply tires on it instead of those crappy 10 ply they come with. The trailer I have now came out with 10 ply tires and I had trouble, switched to 14 ply with metal valve stems and 100psi and have never had a flat or blow out since.

Sound to me like it is time to move to real truck. Some type of single axel road tractor and proper trailer to get the rating you need to be safe. Then there will be no gray areas with scales, CDL, fines Etc.

I like the big Michigan specials with 26 to 42 wheels where you can scale 18 bushel on the steer alone

Michigan is much like Builders state, They take your plates and park your rig if your all out of compliance.

 

[CumminsLuke]

Why don't you get yourself a medium or heavy single axle tractor with a 5th wheel and tow any trailer you want? Just get your CDL and get it overwith. You know you want to have one.

Chevy Crew cab, huh? I thought you were "Cummins" Luke?

I would like to, and it is not an issue of money, just hassle. I don't want to get a CDL, a DOT#, fill out a log book, get a medical exam, and all the other crap that goes with it.

You still haven't figured out who I am? I sell both brands you know!

 

[Builder]

Axle ratio directly affects the GCWR, at least with Dodge. A truck with a 4.10 axle ratio in many cases has a higher GCWR than a truck with a 3.73 axle ratio.

In some cases, yes, but you're still way out of legal capacity, even if you had 6.10 gears.

Springs, brakes and the size of the axle would have more bearing on a trucks final GCWR than ratios.

A truck with a Dana 135 with 4.30's could have the same or higher GCWR than the same truck with a Dana 80 with 4.88's.

 

[CumminsLuke]

A rig like this is what I NEED, but I don't want the hassle.

 

[Builder]

I would like to, and it is not an issue of money, just hassle. I don't want to get a CDL, a DOT#, fill out a log book, get a medical exam, and all the other crap that goes with it.

You still haven't figured out who I am? I sell both brands you know!

Yes, I remember you!

A CDL is easy. You only need a DOT# if you travel out of state. They're free and you can apply for one on-line. I don't get one cause I don't haul with my truck out of state. Log book is only needed if you travel past 150 AIR miles of your home. Med exam is easy, too - a 1/2 hour physical you need once every 2 years.

You must be really out of the loop on rules. You need a med card for any commercial truck over 17,000 GCWR. Heck, you need a med card for any commercial truck over 7,000lbs doing interstate commerce. You need a fire extinguisher and 3 red triangles for any commercial truck, period. Basically, any 3/4 ton truck or 1/2 ton truck that crosses state lines needs the driver to have a med card.

So if you're transporting cars the way you are set-up, over 150 air miles from home, you need a med card, fire ex and red triangles. You might also need a log book if you're 150 air miles from home.

 

[Builder]

A rig like this is what I NEED, but I don't want the hassle.

You're overestimating the "hassle" and underestimating the trouble you'll get in some day.

It's only gonna get worse, might as well get er overwith.

 

[CumminsLuke]

Ah we go over 150 air miles and we go out of state.

I don't want to go up. When I make a move it will be down to the under 26k GCWR territory.

 

[Builder]

Ah we go over 150 air miles and we go out of state.

I don't want to go up. When I make a move it will be down to the under 26k GCWR territory.

Since you're commercial, you'd need a med card, fire ex., DOT number and probably a log book.

Amazing you haven't been nailed yet. Your buddies nickname you "lucky" yet?

 

[CumminsLuke]

Yes I am lucky. They DOT enforcement truck did stop me once but luckily I was just pulling the empty trailer. Told em I was going to haul a load of hay, which I often do, just not that day, they waved me on. One day they are going to hit me and hit me hard though. I have been pulling this trailer since 03' and have run in Missouri, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and Kentucky, and have never been stopped. I bet I got almost 200,000 miles on this trailer under various trucks. Ya I guess I am lucky, or maybe just dumb.

 

[Builder]

BTW: Love the 7040.
Any regrets?
I really need a cab/utility/4x4 ~60HP

 

[CumminsLuke]

BTW: Love the 7040.
Any regrets?
I really need a cab/utility/4x4 ~60HP

Nope I love it. My only regret is my checkbook is $30,000 lighter! But I was really sick and tired of coughing up brown crap for a week after spending a day in the hayfield.

 

[257NH]

I don't know, I guess I just get sick and tired of every guy pulling a BX2200 behind and F150 come on here and ask if he needs a CDL?

And I'm supposed to take this how?

 

[Builder]

And I'm supposed to take this how?

Don't take it the wrong way. I think what he's trying to say is there seems to be a rash of topics about needing/not needing a CDL.

As with many other repetitive questions, guys just need to learn to not get frustrated.

On CDL questions, guys need to consult their states DMV regulations to get the correct answer, rather than ask someone's opinion on a website.

 

[Harold_J]

Axle ratio directly affects the GCWR, at least with Dodge. A truck with a 4.10 axle ratio in many cases has a higher GCWR than a truck with a 3.73 axle ratio.

You are basically correct about axle ratio affecting GCWR. On Ford F250/350's when you go up one ratio it adds like 2000 lbs to the tow capacity in their specs. I believe GM is similar.
What I don't understand is how any of this affects safety. If two identical trucks are equipped exactly the same except one has a 3.73 and the other a 4.1 does that make the one with the 3.73 less safe than the one with the 4.1? It might be a dog on acceleration or put undo strain on the engine/transmission but it shouldn't be any less safe going down the road as far as handling and braking.
With the 3.73 a truck might be rated by the manufacturer to tow 15,000#, and with the 4.1 it would be 17,000# with the same engine and transmission.
If what Builder says is true and enforcement people can actually check in a data base by VIN, then the guy with the 4.1 would be legal towing 16K while the person trying the same with a 3.73 would be illegal and subject to enforcement action. Does this make any sense when in all other respects the trucks are the same (brakes, suspension, axle ratings, etc)?

 

[257NH]

Don't take it the wrong way. I think what he's trying to say is there seems to be a rash of topics about needing/not needing a CDL.

As with many other repetitive questions, guys just need to learn to not get frustrated.

On CDL questions, guys need to consult their states DMV regulations to get the correct answer, rather than ask someone's opinion on a website.

Thats kool by me.Its just that technically I didnt ask a CDL question.I just found it curious as to why people are buyying 9990 trailers when theres 10000# trailers and the "magic" number is 10001.The reason I asked in the first place is because I've got a 10000# trailer that i've been using for 6 months and the owner asked me if I'd be interested in buying it.Obviously if theres some advantage to a 9990 trailer I'll decline and just buy a 9990 deckover instead.This one has fenders. i'm a developer/builder and I like the side access aforded on a deckover.

 

[Builder]

You are basically correct about axle ratio affecting GCWR. On Ford F250/350's when you go up one ratio it adds like 2000 lbs to the tow capacity in their specs. I believe GM is similar.
What I don't understand is how any of this affects safety. If two identical trucks are equipped exactly the same except one has a 3.73 and the other a 4.1 does that make the one with the 3.73 less safe than the one with the 4.1? It might be a dog on acceleration or put undo strain on the engine/transmission but it shouldn't be any less safe going down the road as far as handling and braking.
With the 3.73 a truck might be rated by the manufacturer to tow 15,000#, and with the 4.1 it would be 17,000# with the same engine and transmission.
If what Builder says is true and enforcement people can actually check in a data base by VIN, then the guy with the 4.1 would be legal towing 16K while the person trying the same with a 3.73 would be illegal and subject to enforcement action. Does this make any sense when in all other respects the trucks are the same (brakes, suspension, axle ratings, etc)?

One could propose that "a dog on acceleration" IS less safe. Think of merging on freeways, etc.

I think they're rated for more because the launch of a 4.10 rear puts less strain on the transmission and the bottom end of the engine. The manufacturer might not be able to warrant an engine if it is lugged down too low. The 4.10 rating might also keep the engine up more in the RPM range and therefore provide better engine braking.

Truth is, I'm hypothesizing. I wasn't in the room when the engineers came up with the reasons for their ratings.

However, I do know it has nothing to do with the "strength" of a 3.73 Dana 80 versus a 4.10 Dana 80. They're the same in terms of supporting weight.

The different tow ratings are more because the truck performs differently in front of a 3.73 vesus a 4.10.

That's my theory and I'm stickin to it.