Tractors Need USDOT Numbers?

/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #2  
good
Many farmer's cheat

they do commercial work and use their farm tags and exemptions to not pay taxes nor do all the DOT paperwork and compliance and such.

I have no problem with the farming exemption

but if they want to do commercial work, they should have the same set of rules.

i think this is in the wrong forum.
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #3  
good
Many farmer's cheat, I think this is in the wrong forum.
If talking about weight limits on Trucks, maybe. But how about the farmer that has fields many miles from him/her as many seem to have now a days and use the highways to get to those fields. Just hauling manure on regular basis can add up to hundreds of miles if not thousands in a year. What I see is a free road and no taxes to pay. It is a sticky wicket about how to solve but the rules for farming have changed because of the size they need to be just to survive. It used to be a farmer had to drive down his own road to the back forty, now they just take the highway to the new field they rent or just bought. I don't have an answer but do see a slight injustice in some cases.
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #4  
I do custom harvesting in the southern states [texas, oklahoma, kansas, mississippi, louisana, arkansas, and tennessee]. Plus i farm at home in tn and all my trucks are under my dot number plus i have bonds in the states that require them. It does make me mad to see some grain haulers that run farm tags that don't even farm. The regulations have so many loop holes that anybody can get farm tags and use them commercialy.
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #6  
The link also says that the DOT want's to declare farm EQUIPMENT as commercial and require license, inspection, commercial insurance, etc just like a big rig. The 10,001 pound limit would apply. No big deal? But that includes the weight of farm trailers and load added together to the weight of the tractor too. How's that going to work for the guy that uses his 8n to haul a hay wagon across the road? Suddenly he's commercial and now has to pass all big rig requirements! How's that old tractor going to pass the inspection? How's he going to GET it to the inspection station? Now his FARM plated 1/2 ton truck and 7000 pound trailer ALSO is in the same "commercial" category !

It has 0.00000001% to do with safety, the rest about control and money.
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #7  
well duh
it's always about the money
Here in Colorado equipment used commercially off your own property already requires plates.

A NH TC45 is about $500 per year. Just for a comparison's sake

and farmer's don't pay sales tax on equipment, commercial operators do.

so, figure a $40,000 machine, 4.5% (out of city, 8-9% in city) sales tax when you buy it
plus $500 or so a year for plates

yeah, of course the farmer guy can do it cheaper. He doesn't have to spend as much money.
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #8  
A lot of undocumented illegals are driving a very large number of Farm Trucks and Tractors on US Highways. Farmers do not carry liability insurance on Tractors. Some dont carry insurance on Farm Trucks. Who pays for the damage caused when one of the undocumented illegals hits a car or truck? Who pays for medical treatment? Who pays for the damage the farm equipment causes to Streets and Highways? The list of questions on Who Pays is endless. Farmers have been enjoying a free ride for years. It is time they step up and start carrying/paying their share.

I am a firm believer in "If You Caused The Problem, You Not The Taxpayer Pays". I also believe, and this is upsetting to some, that we need Rules and Regulations to insure that when an individual violates the rights of another or the rights of several by an action that they, not the victim be held responsible and accountable.
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #10  
I do know of a particular farmer who uses that status to buy TV's, furniture and everything else

The ag tax exempt status must vary from state to state.
Here in Texas, he would not get away with buying those things tax free.:confused2:

Of course, maybe he could say he needed that 46" flat screen lcd TV to watch weather reports while milking the cows. :laughing:
But then, he might need to send his kid out the back door with the TV to put in the cow barn right quick, when the Fed's come to check. :laughing:
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #11  
It is like a red flag to a bull- the government wants a new reg they can use to raise money. Endless greed. Farmers aren't rolling in money. Many are barely getting by. In the 60's we sold our small dairy farm. Price of milk was no help. It is a lot of hard work. Kind've odd how people are complaining about the very people who keep things going - farmers, police, teachers, etc but look the other way when it comes to WallStreet.
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #12  
The ag tax exempt status must vary from state to state.
Here in Texas, he would not get away with buying those things tax free.:confused2:

Of course, maybe he could say he needed that 46" flat screen lcd TV to watch weather reports while milking the cows. :laughing:
But then, he might need to send his kid out the back door with the TV to put in the cow barn right quick, when the Fed's come to check. :laughing:

Your not suppose to here either but at places like walmart they give you a tax exempt card and it seems like they don't care from that point on. And the TV's were much larger, the smallest was a 46" sony.

But thats what I mean, there are goverment organizations already in place to enforce these rules and they don't do their job. Why add more goverment when the existing departments are failing already? Just more wasted tax payer money to fund another branch to do what the other branches are failing to do:(
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #13  
A lot of undocumented illegals are driving a very large number of Farm Trucks and Tractors on US Highways. Farmers do not carry liability insurance on Tractors. Some dont carry insurance on Farm Trucks. Who pays for the damage caused when one of the undocumented illegals hits a car or truck? Who pays for medical treatment? Who pays for the damage the farm equipment causes to Streets and Highways? The list of questions on Who Pays is endless. Farmers have been enjoying a free ride for years. It is time they step up and start carrying/paying their share.

I am a firm believer in "If You Caused The Problem, You Not The Taxpayer Pays". I also believe, and this is upsetting to some, that we need Rules and Regulations to insure that when an individual violates the rights of another or the rights of several by an action that they, not the victim be held responsible and accountable.

man you are so far from reality it's sad. do you actually believe that farmer driving that half million dollar machine doesn't have liabilty ins? insurance is cheap compared to paying for damages. i myself have 1,000,000 dollar liabilty, plus 2,000,000 comp. now on the illegal worker comment, farmers are regulated by homeland security just like factories are. i will be more than happy to "step up" and pull my load if you will. start by giving me full price for what i grow. i will use cotton for example, right now i can get 1.25 a pound for cotton, thats about the same price as 1972. figure in inflation costs and the rise in input costs and i will be happy with 5.00 a pound. now your price for clothes will go up about 4x. so that 50 dollar shirt will now cost you 200. trust me you would complain before me.
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #14  
I despise the DOT about as much as the IRS. I have a DOT number and all the bs that goes along with it. It has zero to do with safety and everything to do with money. Their rules make no sense and are just a burden on small business.
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #15  
A lot of undocumented illegals are driving a very large number of Farm Trucks and Tractors on US Highways. Farmers do not carry liability insurance on Tractors. Some dont carry insurance on Farm Trucks. Who pays for the damage caused when one of the undocumented illegals hits a car or truck? Who pays for medical treatment? Who pays for the damage the farm equipment causes to Streets and Highways? The list of questions on Who Pays is endless. Farmers have been enjoying a free ride for years. It is time they step up and start carrying/paying their share.

I am a firm believer in "If You Caused The Problem, You Not The Taxpayer Pays". I also believe, and this is upsetting to some, that we need Rules and Regulations to insure that when an individual violates the rights of another or the rights of several by an action that they, not the victim be held responsible and accountable.


If what you said was even vaguely true on any sort of scale, you'd have a point. But....

I've been a farmer for more than 40 years. I've NEVER taken a truck or any other piece of equipment on a public road that WASN'T insured, nor has any of my hired hands. No, it's NOT the same sort of automobile policy you have on your Family Truckster, but my equipment is probably more substancially "covered" than anything you've ever drove in your lifetime.

I personally know of NO....NONE....ZERO....REAL farmers who operate without a farm liability policy. Try running a sizable "for profit" farm operation these days WITHOUT a very substantial line of credit....Now try getting that line of credit WITHOUT detailing every aspect of your farm operation. Not insured? Out the door you go (without a check) You really should learn the FACTS before going off half cocked, making accusations that border on ridiculous.

Free ride? What planet have you been living on?

Oh, all us terrible "rich farmers"..... (If only there was a shred of truth to THAT...)

Now that you've put your foot squarely into your mouth, let me tell you what you said is an INSULT to the intelligence of every farmer in America. We aren't a bunch of stupid hicks. It's not UNcommon for farmers today to be in control of a multi-million dollar business venture. My relatively small operation will gross well over 10 times the average US individual income. (and I consider myself VERY small potatoes...) I know personally of several single owner farms that gross well into the millions (with an "s".) You don't get there being stupid. We aren't morons. We know all about insurance and "being legal". The vast majority of farmers are competent, well educated, hard working businessmen who live with more rules and regulations than you would ever imagine. We AREN'T criminals or habitual law breakers. Obviously, you know VERY little, if anything at all about farming in 2011......Any "normal business" that turns the dollars a typical large farm does can expect several times to profit margin we operate at, and they do so with considerably LESS risk. And that leads to years (decades even) where we take one step forward and two steps back financially. The idea of a "free ride" is absolutely hysterical. Your opinion of farmers is just plain NUTS.....

When you get what you WANT, I hope you're happy with $20 loaves of bread and $50 a gallon milk, 'cause that's where this is headed if those who think like you get their way.

Living in a dream state might be a "happy place" for you, but REALITY is where I'd rather stay.
 
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/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #16  
Fu## the DOT. Waste of everyone's time. I have had so many trucks out of service that didn't need to be. Hard to bite your tongue when their inspectors don't know a drag link from a drive shaft. All I can say is they better leave the farmers alone or all he** will break loose.
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #17  
But thats what I mean, there are goverment organizations already in place to enforce these rules and they don't do their job. Why add more goverment when the existing departments are failing already? Just more wasted tax payer money to fund another branch to do what the other branches are failing to do:(


Everyone knows that the government is the embodiment of perfection when it comes to efficiency. If it can be done for $100, the government can get it done taking 30 times longer and costing only millions!



It's not UNcommon for farmers today to be in control of a multi-million dollar business venture. My relatively small operation will gross well over 10 times the average US individual income. (and I consider myself VERY small potatoes...) I know personally of several single owner farms that gross well into the millions (with an "s".)

.

Shhhhhhh. You want Obama to hear that and lump farmers in with oil companies and doctors?
 
/ Tractors Need USDOT Numbers? #19  
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