Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs?

[caleb90]

Doesn't apply to forums run by private companies.

Hmmm.. but i cant help but wonder if what ever was said fit your narrative , would you quietly let it slide? Like what if some one said Israel is causing genocide in palestine. Would that be "ok" because 90% of mainstream media says so. Or if some one claims a man can become a women or vice versa.would these be held to the same standard?

 

[jyoutz]

I'll agree with much of your post until you try and call Social Security an "entitlement". The Social Security fund could have been and would be self supporting until the so called excess was skimmed off and put in the general fund coffers.
I paid into SS from the time I was 14 and working for my father on the farm, right up till I turned 65.
If that had gone into a growth fund it would have more then covered what I'll ever draw out. The ones that have never paid into the system and draw on it as a disability it certainly is an entitlement to them.
Also as far as the Medicare system goes I've been paying into that for a long time also, also for the Part B I pay $174.70 per month out of my pocket (going up to $185 for 2025) then I also pay for a supplement every month $266 per month then also $31 a month for prescription insurance also going up in January.
So people that call SS and Medicare an entitlement are correct in that we are entitled to it because we paid for ours and others.
It should not be part of the budget, it was theft when it became part of the annual budget.

Actually Social Security is an entitlement. The definition of entitlement payments implies that only certain people are entitled to benefits. In the case of Social Security, only people who contributed to the program for the required number of quarters are entitled to benefits. I don’t know why an entitlement is looked upon as something negative.

 

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Actually Social Security is an entitlement. The definition of entitlement payments implies that only certain people are entitled to benefits. In the case of Social Security, only people who contributed to the program for the required number of quarters are entitled to benefits. I don’t know why an entitlement is looked upon as something negative.

Because there have been instances where ppl think they’re due something because they “ feel” entitled.
You are correct of course. People paying into ss indeed are entitled to a payment.

 

[jyoutz]

Doesn't apply to forums run by private companies.

Yep. The first amendment only says that government cannot limit your speech. It has no bearing on what private individuals, organizations, or businesses choose to do or require.

 

[jyoutz]

Because there have been instances where ppl think they’re due something because they “ feel” entitled.
You are correct of course. People paying into ss indeed are entitled to a payment.

And that is the true definition of an entitlement program. It has nothing to do with people feeling entitled. It has to do with being legally entitled because of the rules of the program. But yes I do “feel entitled” to social security benefits because I participated in the program.

 

[ruffdog]

I think tariffs will only add costs in the supply chain. If demand for your US made product goes up because of the tariffs, why would you not bump the price up?
Has tariffs ever worked?

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[sunandsand]

I'll agree with much of your post until you try and call Social Security an "entitlement". The Social Security fund could have been and would be self supporting until the so called excess was skimmed off and put in the general fund coffers.
I paid into SS from the time I was 14 and working for my father on the farm, right up till I turned 65.
If that had gone into a growth fund it would have more then covered what I'll ever draw out. The ones that have never paid into the system and draw on it as a disability it certainly is an entitlement to them.
Also as far as the Medicare system goes I've been paying into that for a long time also, also for the Part B I pay $174.70 per month out of my pocket (going up to $185 for 2025) then I also pay for a supplement every month $266 per month then also $31 a month for prescription insurance also going up in January.
So people that call SS and Medicare an entitlement are correct in that we are entitled to it because we paid for ours and others.
It should not be part of the budget, it was theft when it became part of the annual budget.

Lou,

I don't disagree with you. Uncle defines Social Security as an "entitlement", it isn't my definition.

And with 20/20 hindsight, which we are all blessed with, yes, there could have been better places to invest that money.

We can't fix the past, hopefully we will learn from the mistakes of the past (evidence of this learning seems to be sadly lacking) and try not to repeat them.

Governments perform some interesting gyrations to get the numbers they want. Reagan was trying to get unemployment down (hot button issue back then) so someone had the bright idea to classify everyone in the military as "employed". It worked, the numbers came out right where they wanted them. Technically, they WERE "employed", but the unemployment figures refer to civilian employment. Measuring the other way, there's very low unemployment in North Korea . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

 

[jyoutz]

Lou,

I don't disagree with you. Uncle defines Social Security as an "entitlement", it isn't my definition.

And with 20/20 hindsight, which we are all blessed with, yes, there could have been better places to invest that money.

We can't fix the past, hopefully we will learn from the mistakes of the past (evidence of this learning seems to be sadly lacking) and try not to repeat them.

Governments perform some interesting gyrations to get the numbers they want. Reagan was trying to get unemployment down (hot button issue back then) so someone had the bright idea to classify everyone in the military as "employed". It worked, the numbers came out right where they wanted them. Technically, they WERE "employed", but the unemployment figures refer to civilian employment. Measuring the other way, there's very low unemployment in North Korea . . .

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida

An entitlement in government is a program that provides benefits to people who meet certain eligibility requirements. These programs are legally mandated by legislation and are based on established rights.

Examples of entitlement programs include: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food stamps, and Veterans' pensions.

The term "entitlement" can also be used in a pejorative way to describe a "sense of entitlement".

Encyclopedia Britannica | Britannica › money

 

[Hay Dude]

How about simply offering tax waivers to companies that build new manufacturing in the country?

We already do that

 

[Hay Dude]

Yup; that's what happens in a free economy.
Workers demand a pay raise, as a consequence their employer must raise the price of his goods. It's an endless cycle.
This thread is about tariffs on off-shore goods to supposedly get back to a level playing field for U.S.A. businesses. I sure hope it works.
I'm wondering how it will effect Massey Ferguson; they build tractors in 7 countries-depending on models, including the U.S.A.

BTW, I buy honey from a local producer. That's the only way to benefit from eating honey to combat allergies, plus it supports local business owners.

It’s also rich in anti-oxidants