Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs?

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   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #101  
Your point has a giant blind spot, that is the point.

You devolved this discussion when you attempted to make it personal. Therefore, you are used to utilizing this tactic when your argument goes south.
You can only accuse those of what you yourself have practiced or else your ludicrous accusation would not have even crossed your mind.
It didn’t work here so you throw your personal red herrings.
The government is NOT the only causative factor of inflation.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #102  
You are discounting and ignoring what drove price increases...

comfort, luxury and tech are what you should be paying attention to instead of discounting them out of a necessity to not be wrong.

You devolved this discussion when you attempted to make it personal. Therefore, you are used to utilizing this tactic when your argument goes south.
You can only accuse those of what you yourself have practiced or else your ludicrous accusation would not have even crossed your mind.
It didn’t work here so you throw your personal red herrings.
The government is NOT the only causative factor of inflation.

Are you telling me you fell apart when I said the above?

I will tell you again, you used a horrible example to try and make a point about price increases over a period of 50 years, while ignoring the components that drove those price increases.

If you play in the arena, you have to be willing to take a lump or two. It builds character.

Just so you know and for full transparency, I have a Masters in Economics.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #103  
Are you telling me you fell apart when I said the above?

I will tell you again, you used a horrible example to try and make a point about price increases over a period of 50 years, while ignoring the components that drove those price increases.

If you play in the arena, you have to be willing to take a lump or two. It builds character.

Just so you know and for full transparency, I have a Masters in Economics.
Baloney
You regard yourself as superior and your heavens collapse when you’re questioned. It is then you resort to personal attack.
A. You missed my point.
B. I disagree with your masters training efficacy if you think only the government can cause inflation.
C. I gave you specific examples of inflationary causations and if you don’t think throat cancer is not a cancer if not occurring in the lungs, then carry on.
Oh and just for full transparency, l have endured way more in my life than anything you can dish up.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #104  
Tariffs do not cause inflation.

Only government spending cause inflation.

Econ 101
When I took introductory economics, I learned that inflation is caused by the money supply growing faster than the output of the economy. Now, ultimately the money supply is created by the government, so from a purely reductionist perspective you can say that the government is always responsible for inflation, but the reality is that all of the episodes of inflation in the US since the nineteenth century have been triggered by decreases in output.

When I took introductory economics -- which we called Ec 10 back then, there hadn't been course name inflation -- the price shocks of the oil embargo of the early 1970s were recent memory and what we studied as a trigger of inflation.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #105  
Baloney
You regard yourself as superior and your heavens collapse when you’re questioned. It is then you resort to personal attack.
A. You missed my point.
B. I disagree with your masters training efficacy if you think only the government can cause inflation.
C. I gave you specific examples of inflationary causations and if you don’t think throat cancer is not a cancer if not occurring in the lungs, then carry on.
Oh and just for full transparency, l have endured way more in my life than anything you can dish up.

A. You made a point and then proceeded to ignore all the other things beside your point.
B. Supply and demand is at the micro level while inflation is at the macro level. If you want a lesson again here, let me know.
C. If you don't believe me about inflation, listen to the wise old Dr. Fredman...


You may life experiences, but have they help you here?
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #106  
When I took introductory economics, I learned that inflation is caused by the money supply growing faster than the output of the economy. Now, ultimately the money supply is created by the government, so from a purely reductionist perspective you can say that the government is always responsible for inflation, but the reality is that all of the episodes of inflation in the US since the nineteenth century have been triggered by decreases in output.

When I took introductory economics -- which we called Ec 10 back then, there hadn't been course name inflation -- the price shocks of the oil embargo of the early 1970s were recent memory and what we studied as a trigger of inflation.

Micro vs Macro

In the 70's, the price of oil whet high due to shortages, but the overall US economy suffered stagflation.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #107  
I'll agree with much of your post until you try and call Social Security an "entitlement". The Social Security fund could have been and would be self supporting until the so called excess was skimmed off and put in the general fund coffers.
I paid into SS from the time I was 14 and working for my father on the farm, right up till I turned 65.
If that had gone into a growth fund it would have more then covered what I'll ever draw out. The ones that have never paid into the system and draw on it as a disability it certainly is an entitlement to them.
Also as far as the Medicare system goes I've been paying into that for a long time also, also for the Part B I pay $174.70 per month out of my pocket (going up to $185 for 2025) then I also pay for a supplement every month $266 per month then also $31 a month for prescription insurance also going up in January.
So people that call SS and Medicare an entitlement are correct in that we are entitled to it because we paid for ours and others.
It should not be part of the budget, it was theft when it became part of the annual budget.

Generally speaking, inflation is caused by too many dollars chasing too few things. Example is homes. We're short something like four million single family homes right now, so homes get sold to the highest bidder. If we had a surplus of homes (rust belt Detroit, for instance) homes can be bought for a dollar. Some places in Italy offer homes for a Euro, everyone has left and the towns are dying.

Another example is the price of used cars recently. Not enough new cars (chip shortages, etc.) so money flowed towards used cars, and the prices rose because of the increased demand. This has abated somewhat, but used car prices are still historically high.

The government can be a cause of "too many dollars" by running the printing presses. (You see how well that worked out in Germany in the 1920s.)

OK, so lets see where we can cut government spending. A big chunk of government spending is "entitlements" such as social security and Medicare. Cut social security and see how quickly that government is gone . . . cut Medicare, ditto.

Then we have defense. Do we want a strong defense? Heck yeah we do, nobody will argue that. Problem is all this stuff is expensive, really, really expensive.

Then we have debt service. People buy US debt obligations (treasuries, savings bonds, etc.) because they KNOW they are going to get paid timely. If Uncle stops paying, nobody will buy these any more (yeah, he's a deadbeat, doesn't pay his bills) and that is the END of funding the government.

The above makes up something like three quarters of the entire federal budget. We still need small details like highways, the FAA, and a blizzard of other alphabet agencies, thousands of government employees, government buildings which need to be heated, cooled, maintained and and and and, so guess what, Uncle Sam is living beyond his means, and like many of the rest of us (see the definition of "peons" a page or so back), he's putting it on credit cards.

OK, how can we fix this? Cut spending significantly - where? Raise taxes - cue screaming. Tell China and Russia we'd like to take a year off on military spending - they'd just LOVE that.

What we need to do is grow our economy. We need more businesses to hire more people and increase our tax BASE, not our tax RATE. We need to operate our existing economy more efficiently, and we need to grow it significantly.

Right now, the National Association of Homebuilders says the average price of a home in America is $400,000, and one quarter of that, $100,000 is paperwork, red tape, regulatory compliance and so on. If we could cut that $100K in half, that house suddenly became more affordable.

Here's another example. I needed a topo survey on a project I'm working on. NASA and NOAA have topo surveys of the entire country, free to download (we paid for them in our taxes). Local county has them too, also free downloaded from NASA/NOAA (we paid for them in our taxes, too.)

Local government won't take them without an engineer's seal (P.E.), NASA, NOAA and the county aren't good enough. Engineer downloads them (free), takes his seal, goes crunch, that'll be $1,000 please. City looks at the seal - not at the survey, just at the seal - checks a box, and nobody will EVER see that piece of paper again even when the sun swallows the earth in four billion years or so.

Multiply that by the 4,000,000 new homes we need to build - I ought to become a P.E. and hire people just to crunch topo surveys at a grand a pop.

This isn't (entirely) the fault of the P.E., it is just a dumb, useless no-added-value requirement which is there because "we've always done it that way".

Want to balance the budget? (Or even show a SURPLUS? As the kids say, OMG!) Grow the economy, increase the tax base but not the tax rate, and get rid of a PILE of useless, outmoded rules and regulations that do nobody any good but waste everyone's time and money.

And do have a happy Thanksgiving - be thankful we are not getting all the government we are paying for ;-)

Best Regards,
Mike/Florida
 
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   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #108  
A. You made a point and then proceeded to ignore all the other things beside your point.
B. Supply and demand is at the micro level while inflation is at the macro level. If you want a lesson again here, let me know.
C. If you don't believe me about inflation, listen to the wise old Dr. Fredman...


You may life experiences, but have they help you here?
I think so. I treated you with respect not giving a wit of anything more but the discussion itself.
I asked you questions to be sure l was not misinterpreting anything you stated.
I made a point on how we as a species react with terminology when the exact same happenstance over periods of years, effects us differently.
All l said was that Road Runner you could have bought 50 years ago for $2600 would now cost 36k in today’s dollars. Are we bothered by that? I guess some would be but given increases over time we seem to tolerate than the suddenness of what we have termed “inflation”.

As far as you relying on “ the experts”, no man has the luxury of not being questioned.
Look at what the “expert” said about estrogen supplementation 40 years ago and what we know now. Nonetheless, millions of women have suffered needlessly as a result of this one “expert”.
It is how one frames the assertion with ppl in authority given leeway with their word play.

Now, l’ll give you another opportunity.
Relate to me how the inflationary price of eggs was caused by the government.
Always give a person another chance except when they have a gun to your head.
 
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   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #109  
I've thought about this tariff thing lately also, not so much for tractors, but I bought a CF Moto side by side and have been so impressed with it I was planning on buying their new U10 Pro Highland when my dealer gets them in March.

I'm in Canada but I'm sure if the US imposes tariff's then Canada will be forced to follow.

be interesting to see what happens.
 
   / Tractors and (upcoming) tariffs? #110  
So if canadian lumber goes up by 25%...that makes US lumber 25% cheaper...

Again, subsitutation.
No, US lumber goes up by 25% too. The current corporate game is short term profits over longer term market share. We saw this happen with steel.
 
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