Tractor "Relations"

[wa9w00d]

I was reading some of the brand comparison posts and got to thinking..and no it didn't hurt much.
Basically, all small tractors come from somewhere in Asia nowadays. How related are they? Here are a few I think I know of.

Mahindra 10 series = Daedong engine in TYM tractor (got one of these).
Kioti = Daedong engine in Daedong tractor (all of them?).
TYM = Kubota engine in (midsize) TYM tractor (Mitsubishi engine for smaller, CAT for bigger).
I think I've heard Mitsubishi makes the 15 series Mahindra and smaller Massey's. Is this engine and tractor?
Also, Perkins powered a lot of Massey's at one time. McCormick uses them now. Any of the (45hp and smaller) Asians using them now?

I know this is trivia, but what can I say? I like trivia. Post 'em if ya got 'em.

Wayne

 

[wolc123]

There actually is at least one make/model tractor of under 45 hp that is made in America and has an American engine. In fact, it is even classified as a CUT, although that is a bit of a stretch considering its size. Im talking about the JD 4120 that I own. I can't locate any Asian parts on the tractor itself, but the JD 400X loader it came with has a couple castings that are stamped "made in China".

 

[wa9w00d]

Hi wolc123,

Mind if I ask what area you hail from?

Yea, JD is basically the only U.S. tractor mfg. left period (just my opinion guys, bolting them together here ain't the same in my book).
Wasn't sure where the cut off was though. I know Yanmar made a lot of the small JD's in the past. Anyone know who makes them now?
Maybe some of the really big Case/IH and CAT's majority U.S. construction, but I'm mainly thinking 45hp down.

Thanks
Wayne

 

[WilliamBos]

I was reading some of the brand comparison posts and got to thinking..and no it didn't hurt much.
Basically, all small tractors come from somewhere in Asia nowadays. How related are they? Here are a few I think I know of.

Mahindra 10 series = Daedong engine in TYM tractor (got one of these).
Kioti = Daedong engine in Daedong tractor (all of them?).
TYM = Kubota engine in (midsize) TYM tractor (Mitsubishi engine for smaller, CAT for bigger).
I think I've heard Mitsubishi makes the 15 series Mahindra and smaller Massey's. Is this engine and tractor?
Also, Perkins powered a lot of Massey's at one time. McCormick uses them now. Any of the (45hp and smaller) Asians using them now?

I know this is trivia, but what can I say? I like trivia. Post 'em if ya got 'em.

Wayne

The small CAT is actually a Yellow Perkins, that is why CAT bought them. They needed help with the smaller stuff, and since Perkins perfected those, they bought them.

ALL MF SCUT/CUT are Iseki.

 

[wa9w00d]

The small CAT is actually a Yellow Perkins, that is why CAT bought them. They needed help with the smaller stuff, and since Perkins perfected those, they bought them.

ALL MF SCUT/CUT are Iseki.

Thanks! See, I'm learning good stuff already!

Perkins always had a rep. for fuel sipping reliability "in the day". Are any of them still made in England?

 

[BungeeII]

McCormick CT series uses Mitsubishi engines

 

[AndyMA]

Here's a link from tractordata.com showing where various Deere's are assembled. BTW, I'm not sure that many fo those tractors aresn't just assembed from foreign parts.

TractorData.com - John Deere tractors sorted by factory

Andy

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

I'm pretty positive that Deere does not do anything under the 6000 series totally in house. Really... no company does compacts domesticly. The only one that I can think of is when Cub Cadet had MTD building the 5000 series here... thats it.

 

[POC]

Wow, I didn't know all this.

Why would you sell engines to a competitor if you are building your own tractors? With all this "intermingling" of parts. What is truely the differences in the Mahindra vs. Kioti vs. TYM. This makes choosing a tractor even more confusing.

 

[wa9w00d]

Wow, I didn't know all this.

Why would you sell engines to a competitor if you are building your own tractors? With all this "intermingling" of parts. What is truely the differences in the Mahindra vs. Kioti vs. TYM. This makes choosing a tractor even more confusing.

Hi POC,
Actually, outsourcing of engines (and other components) has always been common in tractor manufacturing. Waukesha and Hercules powered a lot of tractors at one time. Fuel delivery, electrical components, or hydraulic pumps are rarely made under the same name as on the hood.
As to choosing between Mahindra, Kioti, or TYM, I think most here would agree that all are quality machines and that providing you've found a machine in each brand that fits you, the dealership is more important than brand (distance, deal, demeanor,durability).
Later,
Wayne

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

IMO the concern here would be if one of these companies goes belly up it ends up hurting all of them.

 

[wa9w00d]

IMO the concern here would be if one of these companies goes belly up it ends up hurting all of them.

Messick,
I understand the point your making, and will even concede that Mahindra, Kioti or TYM might give up on the U.S market ahead of Kubota, New Holland, or Case IH. But the truth for the owner is first getting support during warranty if needed, and then price/ availability of parts after that, But by that logic we should all either buy a new John Deere every two years, or fall back to the Ford N series or Ferguson T.O.'s so that parts are always assured.

I'm not trying to poke a finger in anyones eye here, but if I had a low production International tractor model from just before the mergers I would be more worried about part availability and price than if I owned a TYM right now. No empirical evidence for that. It's just that the most surefire way to make sure your tractor will run forever is to have a specific model that broke production records.

I mean, the same might be said about Shibura taking out New Holland / Case IH compact tractors if they went bust. Again, I don't want to start a "my brand will build new dealerships on the ashes of yours" fight. I think most of us know approximately where most brands stand today. The one thing none of us can say for sure is where they will be ten years from now.
Later,
Wayne

 

[gamble77]

4X20 Deeres are made in Augusta, so are the 5X25 series machines (which include one under 50hp/pto machine)...Deere motors, transmission's, and castings. Even the 2000/3000 series machines are assembled there, with Yanmar motors, but their MCO show Augusta GA...

 

[mojoinco]

A big factor in my tractor hunting was at the distributor level -- namely, has the distributor been in business a long time, and has the ownership been stable? The reason why is that I would be concerned that model X used a 123 transmission, but the follow on distributor only sold model X with a 125 transmission, leaving me with a stepchild and months (if at all possible) parts wait. Primarily a concern because I intend to keep my tractor for 10 or 20 years. In the case of my mid 50's Case VAC, I can still get the important parts.

An example of old manufacturers using others engines? Older Case VACs used Continental engines.

Search and ye shall find whom makes what for whom. OEM relations are important to know as well (such as MF/Agco/Allis/Challenger/later Hesston). Many Korean tractors seem to be an LG of one sort or the other. Many Japanese tractors are Iseki (MF?), Kubota, Yanmar (JD), Shibura and at least one other that escapes me. And the Japanese are sourcing more parts from China.

 

[MasseyWV]

A big factor in my tractor hunting was at the distributor level

I completely agree. While it is common for brand ABC to have brand XYZ parts, the question is... Will you be able to get parts several years (or decades) later and from whom will you get them?

 

[wolc123]

Hey Andy, thanks for giving us that link on where the JD models are made. I corrected some fella 2 times that the 4000 - 20 series was made in USA, and he never bought it and kept insisting that they are from Pune India.
Then there is the Orange dealer that jumps in every time I say the 4000 - 20 series has an American engine and says they are made in Mexico. I dont know if that is true (post the proof if you have it). I looked over my 4120 engine and it does not say Mexico anywhere, just Moline Il. Besides, the guy must not realize that Mexico is part of the "American" continent, and the northern one at that. I will say it again, that I was thrilled a few years ago that someone finally started making a tractor under 50 hp with an American engine in the United States allowing me to retire my old American Ford. I know that country of origin means nothing to most folks but when you can buy one just as cheap as the next two closest competitors as I could (comparing the NH T?40 and the Kub GL 4330), why not do it? It turned out good for me as the tractor has held up great for the 3 years I have had it and exceeded my expectations in many ways. The 400x loader on my tractor says it is made in Canada (still North America) but it does have a couple "made in China" castings. oh well, nothing on this earth is perfect.