Tractor backhoe - homemade

   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,651  
Had over dozen patent pendings thru work. Patent pendings are not supposed to be viewed by public without being released by owner. Think only one went thru the whole patent process so it could be transferred to a private company. Got my $1 and chicken dinner. The legality and benefits of the patent process in a global economy is questionable. The return profit on intellectual theft is often higher than cost of development. Get to the market first and the thief uses profits to fight and delay you in court. Few winners outside of lawyers.
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,652  
Okay, I'll dive in. Patents are a two edged sword. A patent gives the user exclusive right to produce and sell the patented process, idea, product, etc. BUT in return the patent must be so descriptive as to allow a reasonably capable person to reproduce the patented article once the exclusive use period expires. This is the advancement benefit to the world's users. A patent must be registered in every country where one wants the exclusive rights. Different countries have different laws regarding time frame between idea and patent application/ issuance and this in itself creates loop holes for people/ companies to exploit the patented article without infringing. Now comes the fun part. A patent is ONLY as good as the money available to back up the enforcing of patent rights in each and every country where an infringing article is sold or produced. Think really big bucks ( hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions ) and lots of time as in years.

I've had some experience in patent infringement wars. A competing company patented a chemical process and outcome that my company had been doing for decades before the patent was issued to the USA company. The patenting company sued my company for infringement and after 2 years of legal expenses at $400-500/ hour the patent was wholly and completely declared invalid due to my company having practiced the now patented process, for decades, before the patent was issued. The patent office and patent attorney for the competing company did not do their due diligence. Whoops!!!

I've developed a number of processes and specifically chosen to NOT patent them so as to avoid disclosing the process used to produce the final article.

Process patents and many product patents are notoriously hard to defend since by proper examination and substitution a process or product may be produced that can be claimed non infringing and then the patent holder must decide on how deep their pockets are.

Sorry to be a bummer but this is how life works and the Chinese are really good at knocking of stuff and holding them accountable is heading down the proverbial rabbit hole.
 
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Okay, I'll dive in. Patents are a two edged sword. A patent gives the user exclusive right to produce and sell the patented process, idea, product, etc. BUT in return the patent must be so descriptive as to allow a reasonably capable person to reproduce the patented article once the exclusive use period expires. This is the advancement benefit to the world's users. A patent must be registered in every country where one wants the exclusive rights. Different countries have different laws regarding time frame between idea and patent application/ issuance and this in itself creates loop holes for people/ companies to exploit the patented article without infringing. Now comes the fun part. A patent is ONLY as good as the money available to back up the enforcing of patent rights in each and every country where an infringing article is sold or produced. Think really big bucks ( hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions ) and lots of time as in years.

I've had some experience in patent infringement wars. A competing company patented a chemical process and outcome that my company had been doing for decades before the patent was issued to the USA company. The patenting company sued my company for infringement and after 2 years of legal expenses at $400-500/ hour the patent was wholly and completely declared invalid due to my company having practiced the now patented process, for decades, before the patent was issued. The patent office and patent attorney for the competing company did not do their due diligence. Whoops!!!

I've developed a number of processes and specifically chosen to NOT patent them so as to avoid disclosing the process used to produce the final article.

Process patents and many product patents are notoriously hard to defend since by proper examination and substitution a process or product may be produced that can be claimed non infringing and then the patent holder must decide on how deep their pockets are.

Sorry to be a bummer but this is how life works and the Chinese are really good at knocking of stuff and holding them accountable is heading down the proverbial rabbit hole.

That is a very good and accurate posting. I have a number of patents and have been involved in the patenting process. I'd say M59 has summarized it well. That is a good synopsis of the what to expect from a patent.

I only disagree that it is a bummer. It can be, but that's not the whole story.
As M59 says, a patent provides a format for educating the world, and the potential of financial reward for doing so.
But the rest of the story is that financial reward is only half the reason for a patent. The other reason a patent exists - and just as important - is to provide a way to educate people about a better/different way to do something.
Patents do that very well, and provide a way to publish an idea widely at low cost.
So half the reason for a patent is not a bummer at all. It's a service to everyone.
rScotty
 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,654  
Both M59 and Rscotty are looking at this from a chemical engineering standpoint, patenting processes not products.

As long as you keep anyone out of your chemical plant, you can safeguard your secrets better than when you describe them in a patent. I worked for a company that made air suspension trailing arms. They had developed their own processes, hot pressing and molten salt hardening. They only patented products that went out the door, went on the road in plain sight. None of their processes were patented, they just kept their doors shut to unauthorized people.

So we have to see a clear distinction between process engineering, and mechanical engineering (the thing you deliberately ship out the door because thats what you sell)


When Piet Zweegers patented the forage mower in 1965 and revolutionized farming, he had to describe what made his mower a forage mower and not a mulcher like prior art.
Even though any competitor who would have one minute to look at it in action, would have an "Aha!" moment and be able to copy it.
He just mounted the blades on a saucer that kept the cut grass out of the path of the cutting blades, gently carrying it to the rear, like we all know today. He licensed the idea all over the world, for a price that was lower than any patent lawsuit would have cost his competitors.

His invention ended the days of cutting a long crop of hay twice: First drive left hand turns with the sickle bar, reverse every few meters to clear pluggage, once mown, hay it, and a week later, drive against the grain to cut the other half, also backing up every few meters to clear blockages, and taking the motorcycle to get more wooden pitman arms at the dealer because they broke so often.

My father found his first PZ CM165 mower an absolute blessing, it made mowing a hectare of hay an hour of work, instead of an entire day, and sometimes finishing the next day.

I dont know how long North America has been using the sickle bar, did you guys have diskbines before the patent expired in 1986 ? In Europe, sickle bar manufacturers quickly went out of business because of the PZ mower (off course our climate is humid, giving denser swards. The first American combine harvesters couldnt cope with tall European wheat either, after WW2)


So, thats what i am talking about: patenting an answer hidden in plain sight. When i have proven it effective, large manufacturers can copy it and steal my thunder. Not that my idea solves an international problem, it only solves a problem caused by national law, and as you know, my country is small. So a patent might just buy me some time to get into business and promote my brand, before established dogs take off with my bone.

To my knowledge, no one ever looked at a chemical product for just one minute, exclaimed "aha!" and went on to copy the production process right away.
Thats the difference between process engineering patents and product engineering patents. It gives a patent a different meaning in each branch, as one can easily copy whats sold into the field, but not what remains in the factory.

The whole mantra of "educating the world" only applies to process engineering patents. Once you sell a product and move it out the door, you are already educating the world, patent or not.
 
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I've been following this since day one. I'm almost afraid to ask if there's anything else you'll do or make for this tractor, or is this it?
Perhaps a grapple for the loader?

E.
I make stuff every day, and since you asked I did make a grapple recently just not for use with Rk - 6000 but a different excavator and the purpose is to lift heavy concrete pipes for sewage installations.

 
   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,656  
Olá. Aqui estou eu novamente com algumas inovações. Essa ideia estava me incomodando há algum tempo... então finalmente decidi fazê-la... Estou construindo meu próprio acessório de retroescavadeira para meu trator Belarus 820. Como sempre, tudo começou com alguns desenhos... Fiz aproximadamente 30 deles, mas aqui estão alguns finais...

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Depois disso, fiz uma inspeção detalhada da parte traseira do meu trator para chegar à melhor solução de montagem. Minha decisão foi fazer um engate rápido tipo gancho com uma estrutura sob o trator que se conectará à estrutura do carregador frontal para evitar qualquer estresse ou dano à caixa de engrenagens ou ao motor.

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Desenhando o modelo 3D...e o início do trabalho real..

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A conexão com o chassi do carregador frontal...

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A nova estrutura de montagem evita todas as partes do engate traseiro de 3 pontos, para que o trator possa ser usado normalmente para trabalhos agrícolas ou outros quando a retroescavadeira estiver desligada...

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Montagem do subchassi acabado...

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Comprei algumas outras peças... dentes de caçamba, joysticks, bombas de engrenagem tandem...

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É isso até agora. No momento, estou no processo de desenvolvimento de outras peças para minha retroescavadeira...

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Vou postar ao longo do caminho até terminar...
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   / Tractor backhoe - homemade #1,659  
I make stuff every day, and since you asked I did make a grapple recently
Nice looking grapple!

I have considered making something like that. Does it have passive rotation (no hyd motor)? And did you evaluate doing it with one cylinder plus linkage, instead of 2 cylinders? Something made you build your own instead of buying an existing product.

Keep up the good work.
 
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#1,660  
Thanks. No, it has hydraulic rotator. It's done this way to make it as compact as possible since it's already very big because of large clamps.
 

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