Towing with a Ball and Drawbar

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8N_John

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1952 Ford 8N
I will be connecting a ball to my drawbar for towing a small trailer with my 8N. I realize the drawbar will tilt slightly without something to stop it from rotating. However it seems that the rotation would be limited as once the ball is connected to the trailer, the connection would limit the movement.

Is it possible to use this setup without a special device to prevent rotation of the drawbar? Anyone had experience with this?
 
/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #2  
Hi John. It would be best if you stabilized the drawbar. Having the pulling and downforce on the hitching mechanism would be looking for problems.
 
/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #3  
John, I'm quite confident that the stress of doing it that way will damage the trailer hitch coupler. You can buy a drawbar lock for that purpose from several places.
 
/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #4  
Bird, here's the drawbar stay and some details of the mounting that show how it should be attached with the lift arm stays also attached. The slot in the drawbar stay fits around the lift arm stay (see attachment). /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 

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/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #5  
Yeah, that's better, Jim. I just looked up the first picture I found and yours is a much better picture.
 
/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #6  
Another possibility is the EZ mover advertized here. Bolts to your drawbar and uses a top link. Put a receiver hitch in it.
 
/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #7  
watch out for shifting loads, aft of the trailer axle. without any bars to the top link, the load can shift and you will have a dump trailer.
 
/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #8  
You are asking for trouble in 2 ways.

1, the drawbar can rotate enough to rip a ball out of a cheap/older hitch.

2, the 3pt arms can float up when you try to stop making some weird geometry.


You can get drawbar stays to keep your 11 hole drawbar down, and drawbar locks are easy to make to keep the drawbar from rotating. I've made 2 from scrap metal and a few minutes of welding.

If you have the under fiffy drawbar bracket, you can use the generic TSC drawbar with yor 11 hole drawbar, with a few bits of hardware for support.

To give you an idea of just how cheap/easy it is to make a 'junkyard-scratch built drawbar lock, her eis a pic of one I buzzed together using a piece of rebar, and two scraps of steel I-Beam, and a 'D' bolt, and a regular nut and bolt.. Took 5 minutes to make.. The one ibeam section 'd' bolts around the lift arm, and the other ibeam section has a bolt welded to it that goes thru the 11 hole drawbar, then gets a washer and nut. Takes 1 minutes to install. This one pulled my 16' trailer on a hay ride last year. This year I made a nicer one out of some 1/4 flat stock. and washers/ears/tabs.

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Soundguy
 
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One more thing I'll add. By having a stabilized drawbar that doesn't spin.. you can really get good at moving trailers in your yard without getting of fthe tractor. Just back up, line up the ball, lift the 3pt, and the fixed ball lifts the hitch.. move the trailer where you want it.. drop the 3pt, and leave the trailer there.

Soundguy
 
/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #10  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I will be connecting a ball to my drawbar for towing a small trailer with my 8N. I realize the drawbar will tilt slightly without something to stop it from rotating. However it seems that the rotation would be limited as once the ball is connected to the trailer, the connection would limit the movement.

Is it possible to use this setup without a special device to prevent rotation of the drawbar? Anyone had experience with this? )</font>


Before I bought my Kioti, I moved a small trailer numerous times that way without a problem. It was on a Massey 65 with a single axle trailer. It is definitely not the "ideal" setup, but it did the job.

I wouldn't go down the road with it!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

RedDog
 
/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar
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"Another possibility is the EZ mover advertized here. Bolts to your drawbar and uses a top link. Put a receiver hitch in it."

Where can I find the EZ mover advertisement or the drawbar lock? I think I will get one of them.

Thanks.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Where can I find the EZ mover advertisement or the drawbar lock? I think I will get one of them. )</font>
John, if you look at the second thread in this fourm (attachments) you'll wee the EZ mover ad. Just click on that link as you do for any other thread. Happy New Year, John
 
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Question? Looking at the attachment that jinman posted of the 8N with the sway bars attached to the top link, will that lift work that way? It appears to me that if you would engage the lift it would bend the 2 sway bars? Just curious.
sherpa
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Question? Looking at the attachment that jinman posted of the 8N with the sway bars attached to the top link, will that lift work that way? It appears to me that if you would engage the lift it would bend the 2 sway bars? Just curious.
sherpa )</font>

You are exactly right, Sherpa. The reason for the stays is to lock the arms into position so they will not move. Many of us have towed an old trailer with a split tongue which fits over & under the drawbar. That's how trailers were made before trailer balls became popular. With those trailers, you didn't have to worry about the drawbar rotating, but if you started too quickly or got a load too far back on the trailer, the tongue would just raise the lift arms since the lift cylinder is single-acting. To prevent this unstable situation, the lift-arm stays were invented.

If you look at my photo again, you will see that the stays are slightly bent. That happens when someone forgets they are attached and raises the 3PH. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif You have to use your "noodles" when the stays are attached. On the other hand, they hold the lift arms so they won't flop around. They are also two-piece assemblies, making them adjustable in length. This allows the drawbar to be set at different heights for different trailer applications. I suspect the old Ford tractors have pulled lots of drawbar towed implements with varied height requirements.

If you forget and raise the lift, most likely the pressure relief valve will open and save the lift arms from looking like doglegs. That was the case in the old Fords where the 3PH maximum lift was 2000#. I wouldn't recommend the stays on a newer tractor unless they were "beefed up" quite a bit. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Thanks jinman. I just wanted to make sure. I have an 8N and have experienced some of the things you talked about.
I like that setup except for the part where you would bend the bars with the lift.
Sherpa
 
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I think its a lot easier, cheaper, and safer to just use the non-lifting, fixed draw-bar. I don't know enough about the 8n, but I would assume it can be equipped with a fixed drawbar.

Yes, you give up the ability to lift the trailer tongue with the 3-point, but its not like most people are moving a hundred trailers around every day.
 
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Jinman, being master of the obvious and having been raised on an 8N, one does never have the PTO engaged (also operates the lift) when one has the drawbar with stays in place. The stays will keep it from dropping. BobG in VA
 
/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #18  
I have attached a picture of my setup which is a stabilizer, weight bracket, and boom pole mount. That is a chunk of solid lead bolted to the bottom.
 

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/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #19  
Keeny, I'm thinking the same thing. I'm still very new at all this, but why wouldn't one just mount the ball on the fixed draw bar. What am I missing? (Haven't tried it yet). Will a sharp turn jack the trailer against the rear tractor wheels or something? Go ahead, call me dumb, I can take it. Just don't let my me destroy my nice new tractor or the nice new trailer.

I see how it could be convenient to lift the trailer with the 3pt though.
 
/ Towing with a Ball and Drawbar #20  
There might be a problem of tire clearance and turns on some tractor and trailer combos (not mine). Depends on tongue length etc. I guess. There are also drawbar extensions and adjustable drawbarsfor extra length. On the rare occasion my truck can't do the job, I just put the ball on the swinging drawbar and pin it.
 
 

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