top and tilt, third funton

[ice12585]

Has anyone built the top and tilt kit from scratch, and or the third function kit for the loader, if so anyone out there have a list of the parts used. and any web pages used to get the parts. I was hoping that it would be the third function kit with the solenoid operated control valve with the two button controller that slips over the bucket controller rod.

 

[DutchHenryBrown]

:welcome: I am sure some people have built TnT also Third function and they will chime in soon. Me I am to lazy bought mine had the dealer put the TnT on and the factory did the Third function set up.:thumbsup:

 

[J_J]

There is not much to it than these parts.

Surplus Center - 12 VDC 10 GPM OC DA SOLENOID VALVE

Surplus Center - 1 STATION DO3 SUBPLATE OPEN CENTER

Surplus Center

Some short hoses and a handle switch of your choice.

Here is the selector/diverter valve for the grapple circuit

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=9-7852&catname=hydraulic

 

[ice12585]

So I have been looking for a good handle switch, any on have any recommendation on witch one to get and what web page to get it from?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

So I have been looking for a good handle switch, any on have any recommendation on witch one to get and what web page to get it from?

I sell these and my customers as well as myself seem to like them.

$151 for a single control for a diverter or $176 for the true 3rd function valve control mailed to you. There is a lot of other stuff out there though, just have to decide on what you want.

 

[ice12585]

So I like that grip it seems to be a popular one that most people are using. So does it come with the wiring for the price that you posted? And is there a specific hydraulic valve that should be used with it? I was looking at getting the 12 VDC 10 GPM CC DA SOLENOID VALVE from Surplus Center

 

[94BULLITT]

People on here have built their own tnt before but they usually have as much in doing it as what one could be purchased for. I would check with Brian/ Fit Rite Hydraulics and see what a tnt would cost.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

So I like that grip it seems to be a popular one that most people are using. So does it come with the wiring for the price that you posted? And is there a specific hydraulic valve that should be used with it? I was looking at getting the 12 VDC 10 GPM CC DA SOLENOID VALVE from Surplus Center

Comes with 10" of wire and the bushing that adapts it to your loader control lever. It will work with the valve that you are looking at or you could purchase a valve from me and get the Hirschmann connectors and subplate all as one order. Might even cost the same buy the time you pay for shipping. Complete valve assembly would be $193 shipped to your door.

 

[ice12585]

So I have been doing a lot more research for the top and tilt kit, and also for the third function on the front of the tractor, because I want to use with for clean up.
First thing is there anyone that has added solenoid control valves for their top and tilt kit??? It seems to me that it would make the cock pit area a lot cleaner. With all of the controllers that are available from Scorpion technologies, it seems to me that you could put the top and tilt controls on the front bucket controller handle also. has anyone done this??? Any pics and or advise would be greatly appreciated!!!

 

[MtnViewRanch]

So I have been doing a lot more research for the top and tilt kit, and also for the third function on the front of the tractor, because I want to use with for clean up.
First thing is there anyone that has added solenoid control valves for their top and tilt kit??? It seems to me that it would make the cock pit area a lot cleaner. With all of the controllers that are available from Scorpion technologies, it seems to me that you could put the top and tilt controls on the front bucket controller handle also. has anyone done this??? Any pics and or advise would be greatly appreciated!!!
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I did it for a guy in Texas. In fact he went with a 3 remote setup. Had a knob done for him with 3 button switches instead of the grip so that it still looked stock. If you use the grip,(which is what I would do) I suggest bending the loader control lever up to get the grip vertical, otherwise the buttons will not be easiely used in my opinion.

 

[94BULLITT]

Can't you control the tnt and MMM from the loader joystick on some deere tractors?

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[SSdoxie]

So I have been doing a lot more research for the top and tilt kit, and also for the third function on the front of the tractor, because I want to use with for clean up.
First thing is there anyone that has added solenoid control valves for their top and tilt kit??? It seems to me that it would make the cock pit area a lot cleaner. With all of the controllers that are available from Scorpion technologies, it seems to me that you could put the top and tilt controls on the front bucket controller handle also. has anyone done this??? Any pics and or advise would be greatly appreciated!!!
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If you do not already have rear remotes using solenoid valves may be a good alternative. 1 negative for this would be lack of proportional control (feathering). Solenoid are either fully on or off and with small amount of movement and precise control of top or tilt link it would be easy to over stroke cylinders. Adding restriction orifices would help. The other point of finger tip control at joystick seems nice, but for me, when working with a 3 pt. implement my right hand rests on either the position control or the top link rear remote lever not on the loader joystick. When working off the back my hand is on or close to those controls, when doing loader work hand rests on joystick.

Regarding first question of building your own top & tilt cylinders: I modified a cylinder to work for my top link but I had that cylinder at no cost. If you have to buy cylinders then try to modify the mounts to fit, I doubt you would see any savings over purchasing cylinders made to fit your tractor.

Brian (MtViewRanch) has already given some good suggestions. His prices for TNT are very reasonable and has great service support if you should run into a problem.

 

[94BULLITT]

Would a solenoid valve be as reliable as a remote?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

If you do not already have rear remotes using solenoid valves may be a good alternative. 1 negative for this would be lack of proportional control (feathering). Solenoid are either fully on or off and with small amount of movement and precise control of top or tilt link it would be easy to over stroke cylinders. Adding restriction orifices would help. The other point of finger tip control at joystick seems nice, but for me, when working with a 3 pt. implement my right hand rests on either the position control or the top link rear remote lever not on the loader joystick. When working off the back my hand is on or close to those controls, when doing loader work hand rests on joystick.

Regarding first question of building your own top & tilt cylinders: I modified a cylinder to work for my top link but I had that cylinder at no cost. If you have to buy cylinders then try to modify the mounts to fit, I doubt you would see any savings over purchasing cylinders made to fit your tractor.

Brian (MtViewRanch) has already given some good suggestions. His prices for TNT are very reasonable and has great service support if you should run into a problem.

I was thinking of using diverter valves with the FEL valve as the controlling valve. That is what I have done for past customers. That way you still can have the feathering ability to control the hydraulic links.

 

[ice12585]

Thank you I did not think about that and most of the time I’m looking back when using the three point, and having my hand on the controller for the three points.
So putting the controllers on the front bucket controller is definitely not a good idea. I just got my tractor and don’t have a lot of time on it so there are a lot of
Things that I’m just not formulary with or have not thought about. I really don’t want clutter up the look and function of the cock pit, any thoughts on the controls for the top and tilt being on the control lever for the three points???

 

[94BULLITT]

You won't be cluttering it up by adding a couple of remotes. The holes are usually already in the tractor for the handles.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

You won't be cluttering it up by adding a couple of remotes. The holes are usually already in the tractor for the handles.

On the economy L models??? :confused3:

 

[94BULLITT]

On the economy L models??? :confused3:

The hole is there on the BX and was there on the Bobcat.

Here is a picture of the 4240. See the opening for the 3rd remote.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

He has a Kubota L series. Yes the slots are there for the Grand Ls and I didn't realize that we were talking about Bobcats.? :confused3: I am relatively certain that there are not 3 slots for the rear remote levers on the std L models. I know that the OEM valves for these tractors are clamped off of the ROPS. I believe that there is 1 vacant slot by the 3pt hitch control lever and as best as I can come up with, that slot is for draft control that is not available here in the States.

But then I might be waaaaaaaay off, after all, I'm not a Kubota guy.

 

[94BULLITT]

Thank you I did not think about that and most of the time I’m looking back when using the three point, and having my hand on the controller for the three points.
So putting the controllers on the front bucket controller is definitely not a good idea. I just got my tractor and don’t have a lot of time on it so there are a lot of
Things that I’m just not formulary with or have not thought about. I really don’t want clutter up the look and function of the cock pit, any thoughts on the controls for the top and tilt being on the control lever for the three points???

You could get one of those scorpion handles and put it on the 3PH lever.

He has a Kubota L series. Yes the slots are there for the Grand Ls and I didn't realize that we were talking about Bobcats.? :confused3:

I was just saying that all 3 modern tractors I have owned had the slots for the remotes.