Top and Tilt for 4200

[Bird]

Aaah, I did find the other picture I was looking for.

 

[JimMc]

I don't suppose you have a pic showing the max tilt do you? Anything you would do differently if you were starting from scratch? Thanks again for your help.

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

Bird,

The <font color=blue>"the other picture (you were) looking for"</font color=blue> is the one I have and to which I was referring. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[Bird]

Jim, I don't think I ever made any pictures of the maximum tilt. I know it was more than adequate. I first started off with implements level with the manually adjustable link on the left shortened all the way and the hydraulic link fully collapsed to allow me to lift implements to their maximum height, but of course, that meant I could only tilt the right side down. After trying that a few days, I re-adjusted so that implements were level with the hydraulic link at mid-stroke. I could still lift everything as high as I needed to and could tilt the box blade either direction as far as I ever needed to.

I do have a picture of the box blade tilted all the way forward, so I'll attach that.

Anything I'd do differently? Of course. I now know where I could have bought a valve and cylinders locally for less money. I'd try to find the linkage to use a joystick instead of the two levers. I'd use quick couplers instead of plumbing the cylinders directly to the valve. Don't guess I ever built anything without thinking later of something I could have done better./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[JerryT]

Gary
I had my JD dealer install the JD T&T package on my 4400. Its a very nice package but it wasn't cheap, about $1800 including labor. There should be no question about "will it work"? This kit is shown in both the service manual and parts manual for the JD 4000 series tractors.
Jerry

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

Jerry,

Is there any chance you could give me the part number to the T & T you had installed? Thanks! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[MikePA]

RobertN posted some links yesterday and a reference to do a Google search. I did and the only hyd top links I could find on the internet was for cat 2 links.

 

[JerryT]

Gary
I will be at the farm this weekend and will look it up in my parts manual. Should be able to let you know Monday.
Jerry

 

[JerryT]

Gary
The following is T&T setup my JD dealer installed on my 4400. According to the parts manual this fits 4200 thru 4400.
1 - LVBM19534 Power Beyond Kit 190.00
1 - LVBM19535 4th & 5ht Valve Selective
Control Kit 675.00
1 - M135646 Fitting 5.71

The next two parts are the hydro cylinders and I don't believe they are JD parts. Perhaps someone will recognize the part numbers.

1 - TIS-HTL2102 20" closed length cylinder 190.35
1 - TIS-HSL2102 HYD Link 169.69

6 - They made some Hyd. Hoses 3/8 x 2' 15.36

They then charged me for 10 hours labor. As I said it wasn't cheap but it sure is a nice integrated system. They replace the cup holder gadget on the right fender with a new one where the holder is towards the back and the two control levers on in the front. I hope this helps.
Jerry

 

[Bird]

Jerry, those are Tisco cylinder numbers.

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

Jerry,

Thanks a bunch. Any chance of some pictures of your setup next time you're out by your 4400? I'd love to see how everything is set up together on yours. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[JerryT]

Gary
Unfortunately I don't have a digital camera yet (maybe next Christmas) but I will assure you its a very clean setup. The kit comes with a rack that holds 4 quick connects (among other things), and number of pre-bent hard hydraulic lines. The rack with quick connects makes it easy to hook something else up if needed. Everything looks like it belongs the only exception are the black hydraulic cylinders. I'll try scanning the page from the parts manual next week. That will give you some idea.
Jerry

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

Thanks, Jerry. I really appreciate it.

 

[JerryT]

Gary
Following are the scans from the JD parts manual of the kit for T&T. I will have to do these in two posts because they take up 2 pages (actually 4 with the parts list). This attachment shows the new cup holder arrangement with dual controls and the cable hook up to "spool valve" #25 on the next page.

 

[JerryT]

Here is the hydraulic set up. All numbered parts on both pages are part of the BM19535 Kit. You ad the Power Beyond Kit, the cylinders and the four hydro lines to the cylinders and your in the T&T business. Hope this helps.
Jerry

 

[centex]

I am going to put top and tilt on my 4700. I plan to buy the parts and put something togther myself at a lot less than the cost of the parts from Deere. I assume that I need open center control valves. The hydraulics on this tractor operate at 2500# and the control valve I want to use is rated for 2500# with a relief valve set for 2000#. I will plumb the new control valve assy in series with the power beyond. My question is will the relief valve in the new control valve affect the pressure to the rockshaft?

 

[Bird]

Don, there are a lot of guys on the forum who know a lot more than I do about the hydraulics, but I'll give you my opinion anyway. I think the relief valve in the new control valve is only to relieve excessive pressure when you are using that valve. In other words, you're right that you'll want an open center valve and the hydraulic fluid is just flowing right through it until you move a control lever on it to use it. So I don't think the pressure to the rockshaft is affected unless you are trying to raise or lower the 3-point hitch simultaneously with using the new valve. I know that the top 'n tilt that I had on my B2710 was that way; i.e, you could not raise the 3-point and use the top 'n tilt valve simultaneously, which of course, was of no concern to me since I couldn't imagine needing to do both at the same time and wouldn't have enough hands to do everything at once anyway./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[centex]

Bird, thanks. That is what I thought but I just wanted an experienced second opinion.