tooth bar

[Anonymous Poster]

Does anyone know where I can find a tooth bar for my 7308 fel bucket? I have a 60" heavy duty bucket which has the bolt on cutting edge. I called my local New Holland dealer and they gave me various stories. They said New Holland doesn't make one and they can order one from Woods for about $285. I'm not sure if he knew I was talking about a fel or a skid steer bucket, however.

 

[JonLeonard]

Carver Equipment sells them (carverequipment.com), all you have to do is send them an exact inside measurement of the bucket. It install swith 2 screws so it should be pretty easy to remove when its not needed.

 

[jinman]

New Holland's tooth bar will not work with the bolt-on cutting edge. I don't know about the Woods brand.

JimI

 

[DVerbarg]

Boomer,

The NH toothbar can be used but would require that the bolt-on cutting edge be removed first. I have considered buying the cutting edge as I would like to strengthen the bucket to avoid bending the front edge. How well does the cutting edge strengthen the front edge against bending?

DaveV


DaveV

 

[jinman]

Dave, I have the cutting edge bar on my TC45D and I have not been able to bend the cutting edge despite heavy use in rocks and digging/undercutting roots of trees. In effect, it makes the cutting edge on the HD bucket 1" thick. Like you, I can see application for both the toothbar and the cutting edge. I really think if you wanted to change the position of the holes in the sides of the bucket, you could add a toothbar without removing the cutting edge.

JimI

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Also check these posts out:
Custom Made Toothbars even over Bolt-on HD edge!

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

Dave, I agree, I have used the cutting edge to dig up rocks and have had no problems with it bending.

John,
Is that a picture of a tooth bar over the cutting edge? I recognize the bucket as it is very similar to mine. From the picture, I can't figure out where the bolts are for the cutting edge; if there is one. Anyway, which brand to you have?

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

Hi Boomer,

I ordered mine from K.C. Canary. {73" bolt-on} mounted on a "welded" HD bucket edge.

That is not my bucket, but just a picture I pulled from one of the posts on TBN for demo purposes.{I know it's not a bolt on edge}

When you measure, just tell them the layout of the "bolts" so the shanks on the toothbar will be "offset" as not to interfere when mounting.

If you think your heavy duty edge does a nice job with digging up rocks now, wait till you get a toothbar...

Your loader and bucket will act like they're on steroids... /w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif

 

[jinman]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

JMIII, I'd read the thread about the tooth bars previously, but simply let it slip my memory (old age, I guess). I do have one question I need some he'p with. When you backdrag the bucket, does the toothbar rotate up away from the cutting surface, or do you dig several little scarified furrows? Enquiring minds gotta know.../w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif


JimI

 

[Bird]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

JimI, that picture looks like my tooth bar, and it (and the only ones I've looked at) fit onto the lip; not sure how to describe it, but each tooth is (notched?) so it's on there solid and rigid. So to answer your question, you dig little furrows, unless of course, you curl the bucket back and backdrag with the back of the bucket.

Bird

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

<font color=blue>...do you dig several little scarified furrows? ...</font color=blue>

Yep...

{exaggerated example}
____________________

Master Chief... I've been meaning to ask you... what is "FT" ?

I also was in Avionics with Uncle Sam's Navy as an AT2, passed for 1st Class, they waved that $10K reenlistment bonus check in my face, but I just keep walking and never looked back.../w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[jinman]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

Thanks for the info, John, and thanks for the promotion. Don't feel bad, many people make the same mistake, but a Master Chief of my rate would be FTCM instead of FTMC. The "FTM" stands for Fire Control Missiles (like an AQ in aviation ratings). I was in only 13 years and made Chief (E-7) but had problems with bloodclots in my legs (thrombo phlebitis like Nixon had). They gave me a choice of finishing my time on shore duty and frozen at E-7 or a disabilty retirement. I took the retirement and like you "never looked back." It was a great time in my life, but it was obvious because of my health issue that I needed to find something else to do. Here is a photo of the USS England firing a Terrier missile. That was the weapon system I worked on. Missile guidance radar was my speciality.

My technical background has always served me well and the instructor training I had in the US Navy has propelled me into a very exciting and rewarding career. Have you ever used your electronic skills gained as an AT?


JimI

 

[PBMAX]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

Hey the mighty MK10....JimI when did you get out...When I got out in 94 The FTM was simply FC if I understand you.(Fire Controlman)..I was on the USS Dahlgren DDG43 and USS Richmond K.Turner CG21(OLD Destroyer reclassified DDL I think it was )

GMM3 up for E5 when I walked away...figured was time to stay home with the wife...

Lil' Paul
Proud owner of TC21D
Laziness is the Father of invention.../w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[jinman]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

Paul, I guess we've sucessfully turned Boomer's thread about tooth bars into a sea story, but maybe he will forgive our indiscretion and not "roast" us. There used to be three ratings in the surface navy for "FT": FTG - guns, FTM - surface missles, FTB - submarine ballistic missles. After I retired, they changed the rating to "FC" which was a retro-move because that had been the designation originally when the rating was established. Like your rating, which was divided into GMM, GMG, and GMT, it all became just too confusing. Did they leave those designations alone?

I started working on the SPG-55A/B Fire Control Radar and became a Weapons Systems Chief before I got out. I've run many DSOTs (Daily Systems Operability Test) at midnight underway with the TSAMs (Test Surface to Air Missile also called "pretty birds") on the MK10 rail and a GMM on the sound-powered phones, trying to keep awake and check indications while salt spray breaks over the bow. Did they still do it that way when you were in? I was on the Leahy DLG-16, Yarnell DLG-17, and Gridley DLG-21. They were all reclassified as Cruisers and had their designations changed to "CG" instead of "DLG" which was a political move. I retired in 1981, so that tells you what an antique I am.

My appologies to everyone for the TMI (too much info) nature of this message. Between "old salts," the current runs deep.

JimI

 

[jinman]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

I have my ideal operation of a tooth bar shown in the attached diagram. In the next post, I talk more specifically to its features.

JimI

 

[jinman]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

Here is the image from the last message shown so I can discuss it.

My bucket has the bolt-on cutter bar shown in blue. I'd like to put on a toothbar that would seat against the cutter bar as shown in diagram "A" (I drew it on the outside, but actually the toothbars bolt to the inside of the bucket.). When I would backdrag, as shown in diagram "B", the toothbar would rotate up and away from the cutting edge. Have you ever seen one that works like that, John? I may be wishing for too much here, but you gotta start somewhere./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

JimI

 

[john4nh]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

Jim
On dozers and the such they have "root rakes" which bolt on the top of the blade and like your design work going forward then in reverse you can back drag.. I believe you got something there that would work.

 

[DVerbarg]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

JimI,

I like your idea of a the modified toothbar (which john4nh called a "root rake"). Actually I would like to a design that would pivot the way you described and would be able to lock. I found the teeth on the toothbar to be great when backdragging with the bucket for a rough distribution. If you move fast enough backwards with the teeth pointed partially down, they (the teeth) combined with the cutting edge sitting a couple inches higher quickly distributes the material very evenly. I learned this trick from a guy who had a concrete business and used a skidsteer for distributing gravel.

In the absence of the design you proposed I end up backdraging with the teeth rotated up and use the back of the bucket for final smoothing (I think the NH manual recommends using the back of the bucket for backdragging).

Just my 2 cents...

DaveV


DaveV

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

Your idea, in theory and on paper it looks great, but in real life it may not be practical…

With the toothbar, having multiple steel shanks shaped and form fitted over the bucket’s cutting edge, this makes it a cohesive unit as a whole assembly… it’s much stronger.

Lacking the correct engineering terms to express myself properly, it’s like the difference of someone hitting you with an open hand or someone punching you with their fist… it’s the same hand used in both examples, and the same mass doing the striking, but the clenched fist is stronger and will do the most damage.

Besides, it’s only two bolts holding the toothbar on, you need to remove…

Hey, that’s why God invented boxblades and rear mounted blades… just for that “smoothing”purpose… /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

If you had different shaped shanks {without the bottom lip as in your picture}, yes it will work, but I don't believe it's certainly not as strong as the original intended purpose.{aggressive ground digging}

It's one of those things... you'd just have to prove out for yourself and see if you're happy with the results...

 

[jinman]

Re: tooth bar and cutting edge

John and DaveV, I defer to your expetise on this one. You both make such valid points that it's hard to think of any argument. I'd say that just because I can draw it, it doesn't mean it will work "where the bucket hits the dirt." The idea of a rigid single unit makes good sense, and using the back of the bucket to backdrag is also a very easy "fix" for not making ruts. As a matter of fact, having the blades rigid might make it possible to scarify on backdragging and then dig going forward. Thanks for your thoughts and advise.

...and John...Isn't a boxblade just counterweight so you can do everything with the FEL? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

JimI