TOOLS ,WHERE TO PUT THEM

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Shame of it is my next tractor will be an HST after using this b20 and then again I might just go ahead and buy the b20 its a fun little toy.
So Rich I must agree that an hst is the best of both worlds and I'm sorry to have given you that one sided closed minded info on tranny choices----Have I ever said I was a hard head---prove it to me first/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Good luck and once again I'm sorry!!!!!
Gordon
 
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Gordon - I might have posted this already - I don't remember - but at the last project I worked on there was a guy helping me who kept asking me if I'd take his JD 5300 even swap for my Kubota. He seriously would've done it, too, but it didn't even bear considering, to me. But, to be honest, it was the transmission he was in love with, not the rest of the tractor. He loved the tires (couldn't get over the fact that they were so much wider than his), and the hydraulics on the 3-point hitch, and the 4-in-1 bucket, but it was still the transmission he kept marvelling over. He kept saying stuff like "Man, I sure wish I could do that with my tractor." When he left the job on Saturday afternoon, after working with me Thursday thru Saturday, he said Monday was going to be tractor trading day - he was going to see what he could get in trade on a Kubota HST.

I joke a lot about there being no other reasonable choice than hydrostatic and stuff like that, but the truth is that I know exactly how it is to think they're junk. Two years ago, I was of the opinion that hydrostatics were too weak and inefficient to deserve consideration. As far as I was concerned, they were ok for lawn and garden tractors, but not for anything where you needed to do "real work". After reading the brochures, I realized the potential advantages from a safety standpoint and that really appealed to me because I'm often working on job sites with a lot of people around - and let's face it, people who don't know much about tractors see "a big riding mower" when they see a compact utility tractor. But I still kept persisting in the belief that they were inefficient.

One day, though, my dealer, who used to be a jet hydraulics mechanic, told me I could try one for a couple days (this guy's no dummy, he knows a potential sale when he sees one and he always "sees me coming"). He told me they were bullet-proof as far as durability is concerned and a lot more powerful and efficient than I was giving them credit for. So I did, and I was impressed, but still not convinced about the efficiency of them.

Then, I was telling all this (and my dilemma) to a good friend of mine who was the engineer-in-charge for the NASA department that designed the lunar rover. He told me I was very much mistaken in my view of hydrostatic transmissions. He told me that even though about 10% of the input power to the transmission is lost to heat, compared to a straight manual transmission (about 5% more than is lost in a GST), this was "a tempest in a teapot" compared to the advantages for the jobs compact utility tractors are used for. He was right. That 5%-10% is more than recouped in the advantages, which I've espoused enough times that I won't bore everyone with them again. But suffice it to say, I'm completely sold, and so is everyone who's ever seen my tractor work. Now if I were a really talented operator, there's no telling what they would think. As it is, my tractor just makes me look good, and that's ok, too. I overheard one guy on the last project telling another fellow I was worth watching, that he thought I could "make that tractor dance". I'll take it, but I know where the credit belongs.

Mark
 
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Mark dealers are sometimes very smart like that. My dealer knows I want a small hoe and also want to upgrade. So what does he do leaves me with a b20 HUMMMM makes me think.
He is no dummie in more ways than one he is actually a finance manager and bought two Kubota-bobcat dealerships for fun, so he says. But we just can't come together on price for a 4610 or for the b20. But a used b20 is worth alot to some people in this area and he knows it but he also knows I wont pay it so he is trying to lure me from the flank side
He wasn't surprized when I broke it a couple of times, I always have to test a machines max capabilities and sometimes I exceed them. I also dented the hydro filter man they put that in an open location with just a steel piece of rod to protect it. Not sure how it got dented maybe when I slid down a ditch bank or from a stump along the same ditch line. I can say this its a tough little tractor that you can really turn on a dime.
This past week I dug out a couple of ditch lines and also moved a bunch of fill dirt on a job went pretty good with the small tractor. The homeowner was impressed at where I could fit the tractor infact I even amazed myself a couple of times as well. Your right about the dancing thats for sure./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Lunar Rover huh man all my friends are rednecks but they all can tell you what time the Nascar race comes on and what time they have to be at the milking barn./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Joking aside what kind of tranny does the Lunar Rover have did he happen to say or do I already know the answer to that one.
Hey I'll trade you even up my L3750 for your L4310 guess I already know the answer to that one as well./w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Gordon
 
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Mark you must have a HST sniffer/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif This post was supost to be about tool boxs! Don't feel to bad Gordon IM a big boy, and I drove them both but didn't realy use them,if you know what I mean. The GST is nice but,,, now I understand that you can't or shouldn't shift under power and your hands already have enought to do. So if you can divert some of those duties you can move faster. But you already knew that. I also ran into a old freind who has had a smaller Kubota for 20 yr. and never changed the HST oil ever, just the filter, hes got a 1000 hrs. on it!!! so they must be tough!! I'LL let you know what I think of the HST after 10 or so HRS.on it. NOW what about the tool box??????
Rich
 
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Actually, Gordon, the lunar rover didn't have a transmission - it used electric motors at each wheel.

Your 8000 hour L3750 trade is tempting, but remember my credo: no hst, no interest. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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RichH,

Though I don't know about what/where to put them on your tractor, this site might be of some interest.

http://www.danddraceproducts.com/

Check out the "Warwagons" in paticular.

As a disclaimer, I don't have any financial interest here. These are manufactured by the husband of someone I work with and I have the "smaller" 1500 in my garage. I absolutely love it and kind of wish I had the larger one. Well made and I like the stainless steel working surface.

Brief history, Donny and Dustin (the "dandd") are into racing go-carts. They designed the "Warwagon" to hold all of their supplies and tools for the races that they attend. Other racers have inquired about these and they are making them now for other racers as the business is growing. My understanding is they currently are also working on a "Megawagon" after being approached by someone with NASCAR that wanted one.

Just some thoughts for fun.

Richard
 
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Just exactly where did you get your information about a GST loosing 5% of its horsepower? I see reference to this so called loss every so often in threads discussing GST vs HST vs Manual. The GST simply provides an automatic clutch, once the tractor is in gear, it performs exactly as a manual transmission would. It does not have a hydraulic coupling to the final drive, it does nothing but shift automatically for you without the need to engage the clutch. Therefore there is no loss of power.
 
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BobPaulsen - The loss is caused by the hydraulic clutch. It's a clutch that uses hydraulic pressure to engage, not vice versa. I got the number from one of Kubota's tech services trainers, the horse's mouth. It's not just Kubota, though. If you look at any hydraulics textbook that discusses the various types of transmissions, they fix the loss to hydraulic clutchpacks at around 5%.

Mark
 
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Well I gusse I have answered my own qust. The area behind the seat and beteewn the rops is 20"
on the L4610 so a 20" tool box just fits!! Still no place for the chain saw yet. No room up front. The bucket comes to close to the bumper. Not to change the subject from tool boxes but how much of loss do you end up with on a HST??
Rich
 
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Rich - About 10% more than straight manual transmissions.

Mark
 

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