Toolcat 3 point is coming
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Rolando
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Ditto on the larger tire option. I also wish they would consider a dual action floor pedal for forward and reverse rather than the wheel stalk shift lever. I've tried both now and I like the tractor setup a lot better.
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That Toolcat set up for the 3 Pt is really pretty! We all know that a TC has more than enough power to pull, but traction is a significant issue. Rather than larger tires (which would raise the excellent center of gravity), I propose dually wheels all around to beef up the traction, minimize ground pressure issues and add lateral stability...I am shocked that there isn't any manufacturer offering this as an aftermarket accessory.
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Thanks for the picture. That is what the prototype looked like. A composite box will probably be an option instead of just the rear cover where the radiator also sits.
Rolando
I also told them the dual pedal setup was better than the column shift lever but no known changes in that area. The floor space is very limited due to the front wheel well. Probably not enough room for forward pedal, reverse pedal and brake for people with big feet or boots.
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No known change in the axles. Bobcat feels the suspension system is already overbuilt. The axles are protected by the hydraulics which can supply only a specific torque before the relief valve opens. I have not heard of any axle failures. Can't get the tires too tall because it may affect an attachment on the loader arms which can only go so low.
I don't know if they are making allowances for rear hydraulics. Those are a must for 3pt equipment and attachments with hydraulic cylinders or if a top and tilt is used.
Thanks for the picture. That is what the prototype looked like. A composite box will probably be an option instead of just the rear cover where the radiator also sits.
Rolando
I also told them the dual pedal setup was better than the column shift lever but no known changes in that area. The floor space is very limited due to the front wheel well. Probably not enough room for forward pedal, reverse pedal and brake for people with big feet or boots.
jmfox
No known change in the axles. Bobcat feels the suspension system is already overbuilt. The axles are protected by the hydraulics which can supply only a specific torque before the relief valve opens. I have not heard of any axle failures. Can't get the tires too tall because it may affect an attachment on the loader arms which can only go so low.
I don't know if they are making allowances for rear hydraulics. Those are a must for 3pt equipment and attachments with hydraulic cylinders or if a top and tilt is used.
Larger tires can mean wider like the forestry tires with more aggressive tread. The axles will get a beating when towing 3pt attachments. They might be okay for a brush mower but if you start pulling excavating implements, say a plow... well that's why tractors have straight axles.
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That's looking good. I'd like to try a snow blade on the front and a snow blower on the rear. it would be a great setup for winter.
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Does anybody know if the PTO will be an option or standard? With the mower in the front, I don't need the PTO in the rear and it would be nice not to have to pay for it. But I agree that you need hydraulics back there for top and tilt if nothing else. Maybe an electrical control circuit also?
Does anybody know what kind of lifting capacity the 3pt will have?
I wouldn't miss the hydraulic dumping bed, myself. Ever since I got a dumping wagon, I've only used the dump bed on the TC to access the motor and filter. Having a bed for tool carrying is a most, though. I think the lighter composite bed should work fine. Will it need some kind of lift assist, or will it be light enough?
I'm glad to hear they're finally making the power bob-tach available for the Toolcat. I've been nagging my dealer about that ever since I found out about the option.
Does anybody know what kind of lifting capacity the 3pt will have?
I wouldn't miss the hydraulic dumping bed, myself. Ever since I got a dumping wagon, I've only used the dump bed on the TC to access the motor and filter. Having a bed for tool carrying is a most, though. I think the lighter composite bed should work fine. Will it need some kind of lift assist, or will it be light enough?
I'm glad to hear they're finally making the power bob-tach available for the Toolcat. I've been nagging my dealer about that ever since I found out about the option.
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i would think the d would stay as is and the pto model a different version. i cant believe they would stop producing a model with a tilt bed. many buyers such as municipalities likely would not want to have to pay for the 3pt.
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I think maybe I didn't make myself clear. My understanding is that the 3PT hitch version will be a different model from the 'D' so that if you don't want a 3PT hitch, you will still get the hydraulic dump bed. I don't think you can dump if you have the lift arms and top link in the back.
My question about the PTO being an option was in regard to that 3pt hitch model. I was wondering if you could get the 3pt hitch version without the PTO. I need to drag and lift 3pt hitch implements, but I won't need to drive a PTO shaft. I would like to avoid paying for the PTO, since I wouldn't need it.
My question about the PTO being an option was in regard to that 3pt hitch model. I was wondering if you could get the 3pt hitch version without the PTO. I need to drag and lift 3pt hitch implements, but I won't need to drive a PTO shaft. I would like to avoid paying for the PTO, since I wouldn't need it.
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I believe the PTO will be standard on the 3 pt version, much like a tractor. Lots of attachments require a pto. The lift capacity of the 3 pt should be 2000 lbs. PTO hp about 30.
I spoke with another dealer the other day who seemed to be fairly knowledgable on the upcoming 3 pt version. He said that the 3 pt version will not have any cargo/dump box according to what he knew.
On the current D series with dump box, the radiator and fan sit immediately behind the spine frame and extend the length of the toolcat by about 20 inches and are level with the top of the spine frame. The dump box currently extends over the top of the radiator fan. On the 3 pt version, the radiator and fan are placed on top of the spine frame and placed immediately behind the cab. The lift arms take the place of the previous fan location. Therefore, on the 3 pt version, the overall length was not changed significantly with the addition of the lift arms. Also the 3 pt arms are attached to the spine frame which is very strong and the arms are close to the rear axle/suspension. This allows maximum lift without elevating the front of the toolcat. The fan behind the cab would sit about 12" above the top of the spine. Any cargo/dump box on the 3 pt version would have to sit over the fan (now located behind the cab) and be fairly high from the ground. Possibly a small cargo box could sit on either side of the fan.
On the 3 pt without a cargo/dump box, a plastic cover sits around the fan and extends to the side of the toolcat. The overall distance from the cab to the lift arms is about 3 feet. At the most, any cargo box could only be about 3 feet in length.
If the dump box is deleted, I hope the cost for the 3 pt and pto may not increase the price too much. A 3pt should not be too expensive to develop as parts are already available. The pto has be used on other models and is basically a hydraulic motor. 2-3 rear hydraulic outlets maybe another expense.
Dealer also told me when they were initially designing the toolcat, the early concept was to make the cargo box removeable. It was hoped to be like a roll-off container used by some trucks. Slide the box off the back, and load it with the toolcat. Then pull it back on the toolcat, lock it down, take the load to its destination and dump it. Alais, this has never happened.
I spoke with another dealer the other day who seemed to be fairly knowledgable on the upcoming 3 pt version. He said that the 3 pt version will not have any cargo/dump box according to what he knew.
On the current D series with dump box, the radiator and fan sit immediately behind the spine frame and extend the length of the toolcat by about 20 inches and are level with the top of the spine frame. The dump box currently extends over the top of the radiator fan. On the 3 pt version, the radiator and fan are placed on top of the spine frame and placed immediately behind the cab. The lift arms take the place of the previous fan location. Therefore, on the 3 pt version, the overall length was not changed significantly with the addition of the lift arms. Also the 3 pt arms are attached to the spine frame which is very strong and the arms are close to the rear axle/suspension. This allows maximum lift without elevating the front of the toolcat. The fan behind the cab would sit about 12" above the top of the spine. Any cargo/dump box on the 3 pt version would have to sit over the fan (now located behind the cab) and be fairly high from the ground. Possibly a small cargo box could sit on either side of the fan.
On the 3 pt without a cargo/dump box, a plastic cover sits around the fan and extends to the side of the toolcat. The overall distance from the cab to the lift arms is about 3 feet. At the most, any cargo box could only be about 3 feet in length.
If the dump box is deleted, I hope the cost for the 3 pt and pto may not increase the price too much. A 3pt should not be too expensive to develop as parts are already available. The pto has be used on other models and is basically a hydraulic motor. 2-3 rear hydraulic outlets maybe another expense.
Dealer also told me when they were initially designing the toolcat, the early concept was to make the cargo box removeable. It was hoped to be like a roll-off container used by some trucks. Slide the box off the back, and load it with the toolcat. Then pull it back on the toolcat, lock it down, take the load to its destination and dump it. Alais, this has never happened.
