Tipping trailer suggestions.

[jaxs]

The trailer pictured look's to work well but limited to light loads. It might be improved by shortening frame at rear,moving pivot foward on box so box hit's the ground at full tilt. That would require saloon doors in place of drop down in picture. Which brings us to dumping without leaving driver's seat. How will you control any type door without getting off tractor? Early on (1960s)when round hay bales were catching on,there were lots of single bale buggies used behind trucks that used a rope to lock and unlock shoes against buggie tires. Rope was generally tied to driver's mirror and operated without getting out of truck. When wheels were locked and backing up,platform dropped to ground. If driver released tension on rope,the buggie would scoot along on ground to slide forks beneath bale. If tension was maintained,buggie would rise in front then roll over effectively dumping bale. When wheels were locked pulling forward,platform raised off ground and moved foward into trasnsport position. They were very popular but then replaced by the spears you see today mounted on rear bumper. One of those would only require fabercating a box on it. In the event you aren't familiar,round bales weigh between 600 and 1100 Lbs,depending on type grass and how tight one chose's to make bales.

 

[davedj1]

I thought I remember seeing a trailer that had a sliding axle, when you backed up the axle slid forward changing the balance point and letting it dump. You could always have the tailgate lift up and forward on some arms that were connected to the axle or sliding mechanism. Give you something to think about?

 

[jaxs]

Dave I think that sliding axle was on those trailers discussed where rear of trailer dig's in causing wheels to be lifted off ground as trailer roll's over. I have been tinkering with a tilt boat trailer with the idea of making a dump from it. When axle is near centered fore and aft,it's amazing how little the frame can be tilted before rear hit's the ground.

 

[Rock Crawler]

It could be done with the 3P if the trailer were designed with the pivot at the center of the bed. My Yamaha Rhino has a pair of gas charged hood lift things under it, and the pivot point is centered on the bed. I load it with rocks, I would guess 1000-1200 lbs and I can always assist with my hands and make it dump. I am not anywhere near as strong as the BX 3P lift power! Using a center pivot design, or close to it, the 670 lb lift force is way more than required. You also learn to do as I do, always load slightly heavy to the rear so that I don't at all have to assist. It can be done, physics is your friend.

 

[KYErik]

Personally, I would vote for the 12v battery/electric winch/mast method- but here is another idea:

I built a rolling box in the back of an old pickup truck- perhaps you could do something similar on a bare trailer frame.. The frame needs to be pretty high for it to work- and you can't dump up a hill.

There are two pieces of channel iron bolted to the pickup bed that act as tracks for the front rollers and one piece of channel iron bolted to the passenger side beam that acts as a guide for the rear of the dump bed.

That old beat up truck is a 69 chevy. The proceedure to dump is as follows.

1. Drop the tailgate while on a level surface ahead of where you want to dump.
2. Shift into reverse and approach the spot where you want to dump the load.
3. Apply the brake firmly so that the bed has just enough momentum to roll out of the truck bed and then the back drops over center. The 2 straps catch the whole bed from rolling out onto the ground. I would guess that too quick of a stop would cause the straps to beak and the whole apparatus would come out of the truck.
4. To reset it- lift the back of the wooden bed (not too difficult- maybe 60 lbs) and roll it back into the truck. Then latch the tailgate and load it with dirt.

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[Xfaxman]

Will your Ferrari handle a big enough trailer that you could load with the BX?

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Thanks for all the suggestions so far.
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The ferrari may be an option be still need to dump somehow.

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I had thought about the 'digging' the rear of the trailer into the ground for tipping but you not really going to tip all your load.

I made this trailer into a dumper about 15 years ago, removed the drop axle, cut a mobile home axle and slipped three pieces of tubing over it, welded a longer tongue and angle braces to the tubing, put a pivoting ball on the new tongue for the original coupler to latch onto.

To dump, unlatch the original coupler:

If needed, back up. :thumbsup::

I have had it completely upside down when hooked to the front hitch on the tractor I had then.

 

[ultrarunner]

Personally, I would vote for the 12v battery/electric winch/mast method- but here is another idea:

I built a rolling box in the back of an old pickup truck- perhaps you could do something similar on a bare trailer frame.. The frame needs to be pretty high for it to work- and you can't dump up a hill.

There are two pieces of channel iron bolted to the pickup bed that act as tracks for the front rollers and one piece of channel iron bolted to the passenger side beam that acts as a guide for the rear of the dump bed.

That old beat up truck is a 69 chevy. The proceedure to dump is as follows.

1. Drop the tailgate while on a level surface ahead of where you want to dump.
2. Shift into reverse and approach the spot where you want to dump the load.
3. Apply the brake firmly so that the bed has just enough momentum to roll out of the truck bed and then the back drops over center. The 2 straps catch the whole bed from rolling out onto the ground. I would guess that too quick of a stop would cause the straps to beak and the whole apparatus would come out of the truck.
4. To reset it- lift the back of the wooden bed (not too difficult- maybe 60 lbs) and roll it back into the truck. Then latch the tailgate and load it with dirt.

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Very clever and a great idea...

 

[Renze]

Heres a video of a klapkar in action on a historical earthmoving event

belarus 660 actief bij higro - YouTube

 

[davedj1]

The OP states "load, unload from the tractor seat".
How are you going to load it or is someone else going to load it?
That klapkar looks cool.

 

[triptester]

What I have not seen mentioned is what will be hauled and the weight of the load.

 

[FarmWrench]

"Load, Unload from driving seat".........

1. Load WHAT? Dirt?
2.unload HOW?

If it's going to be dirt, a scraper is the ticket.

 

[MossRoad]

I think the OP wants to:

1. Tow a trailer behind his tractor to a location.
2. Set down and disconnect the trailer from the tractor without getting off the seat.
3. Use his front end loader to load the trailer.
4. Reconnect and pick up the trailer without getting off the tractor.
5. Tow the trailer to another location and dump it without getting off the tractor.
6. Repeat from step 1.

 

[ferrari99]

I think the OP wants to:

1. Tow a trailer behind his tractor to a location.
2. Set down and disconnect the trailer from the tractor without getting off the seat.
3. Use his front end loader to load the trailer.
4. Reconnect and pick up the trailer without getting off the tractor.
5. Tow the trailer to another location and dump it without getting off the tractor.
6. Repeat from step 1.

You hit the nail on the head, exactly.
Materials wise it could be anything, dirt, mulch, etc.

 

[FarmWrench]

I have a Canadian built dump wagon, with boogies and dual cylinder hoist. It's stout, and should probably have breaks when loaded.

If a good chunk of wood goes under the landing gear I can get the hitch to hook by lifting the front of the tractor with the bucket and sneek the hitch in to make up for it sinking in the ground. Once the pin is in and I put the front of the tractor down the jack (landing gear) has almost no weight on it.

The ideal would be to not have to get on and off but in reality it's the jack, landing gear cranking that is the part that makes loading unhooked miserable.

Any system that uses the axle to balance for tipping, runs the risk of tipping while loading and always leaves the tractor underweight for breaking and traction.

I'm keeping an eye out for a fith wheel camper with power landing gear that is headed to recycling.

 

[pmsmechanic]

I think the OP wants to:

1. Tow a trailer behind his tractor to a location.
2. Set down and disconnect the trailer from the tractor without getting off the seat.
3. Use his front end loader to load the trailer.
4. Reconnect and pick up the trailer without getting off the tractor.
5. Tow the trailer to another location and dump it without getting off the tractor.
6. Repeat from step 1.

All of these points in one package are going to be a feat of engineering!

 

[Xfaxman]

Starting with a wireless remote control on a hydraulic power pack.

 

[MossRoad]

Starting with a wireless remote control on a hydraulic power pack.

Two function remote and you could operate the hydraulic dumper AND an electric tongue jack.

 

[MossRoad]

Or.... you could get yourself a Power Trac... :laughing:

But seriously, you can gain some ideas here, perhaps...

 

[pmsmechanic]

So really there is no reason why you need to use a Power Trac. I don't see why it wouldn't work with any fel equipped with a way to quickly exchange the bucket. It's the best idea I've seen yet! Notice how the release for the tailgate just drags against the ground.

 

[4570Man]

I have a Canadian built dump wagon, with boogies and dual cylinder hoist. It's stout, and should probably have breaks when loaded.

If a good chunk of wood goes under the landing gear I can get the hitch to hook by lifting the front of the tractor with the bucket and sneek the hitch in to make up for it sinking in the ground. Once the pin is in and I put the front of the tractor down the jack (landing gear) has almost no weight on it.

The ideal would be to not have to get on and off but in reality it's the jack, landing gear cranking that is the part that makes loading unhooked miserable.

Any system that uses the axle to balance for tipping, runs the risk of tipping while loading and always leaves the tractor underweight for breaking and traction.

I'm keeping an eye out for a fith wheel camper with power landing gear that is headed to recycling.

Good point about the tipping. I don't think a trailer that dumps by negative front weight could ever be loaded while unhooked.