Threads Titled "Kioti Will Not Start"

[sdef]

Over the years, I have tried to teach hundreds of Soldiers how to be mechanics. I always say " You can tell them to turn the bolt left or right, but only a few will understand why you turn the bolt left or right."

I get "Scientific Methodology", but there are many who are not wired that way. There is nothing wrong with them, they have other skill sets. My wife for example is a wonderful cook, but she does not understand why I change the oil in the cars. I have expanded it in detail to no avail.

I agree and will take it a bit farther. It is also a generational thing and technology advances. When I was growing up, "we" played outside, explored the woods, worked on our own cars, appliances and anything else that did not work. Throughout my many years, I never paid a repair person to do anything unless it was with the refrigerator or furnace. I rebuilt my own automatic transmissions, engines, built numerous sheds from scratch, addition to the house, and along the way invested a lot of money in tools, test equipment and books (prior to the Internet), yada, yada.

These days young people's focus have changed to electronic based, sedentary lifestyles of various designs. Most of the people in a kayaking club I used to belong to were in the upper age groups and most other river kayakers I saw while kayaking were not all that young. And my kayaking days have slowed down a bunch due to necessary tractor purchase and a near drowning last spring in class III/IV rapids.

All of this said, I am now taking my new(er) auto to mechanics for some scheduled maintenance as I can't even find the spark plugs on my 2008 Suburu Outback XT and I am tired of rolling around in the dirt under automobiles doing repairs. Some of this stuff is just not worth the effort to me these days and I would rather be productive elsewhere doing other things.

But a tractor is new to my environment and my dealer is 3 hours away. So I am learning, modifying, fixing and enjoying most of this. But I have the background and many "newer" folks do not

 

[Big Barn]

It's a lot like having the knack: Dilbert "The Knack" Engineer Video - YouTube

Too funny!!

Terry

 

[Coyote machine]

The Kioti forum of owners tends to get too many posts about poor or no start issues that are easily corrected. Too many don't search existing threads before posting the same question that has been asked and answered 'till some of us here are tired of explaining over and over and over.
Key switch is mostly a piece of junk located poorly on steering column. Battery ground issues, cables, etc. are easily diagnosed and fixed.
I mostly search through the 'today's posts' list and see numerous no start, won't start in the cold, gelled fuel, frozen filters, across the board of makes and models. This is the time of year, like the heat of summer, when batteries and clogged filters and lack of maintenance, lack of knowledge/common sense cause all kind of problems for all kinds of tractors all across the US and the world.

 

[SPYDERLK]

you can bet money he did! Or will!.

I have run across people like that, not a diagnostic in bone in their body.. to them broke is broke.. its all the same. They don't understand how anything in the world works. And you could grow old trying to teach them.

And some of these people are sure to work on airplanes, nuclear power plants, and many consumer item assembly lines.
larry

 

[blucoondawg]

I had one issue with my Kioti it was easily fixed, it was the starter relay on the firewall, funny thing is I replaced that relay far more often, at least 3 times a year, on my Case (now Astec) 660 trencher/backhoe I use at work, Case and now Astec have sold millions of these machines and they are well respected in the industry, so I can't fault my Kioti for going through one, especially when I am guilty of not always having my tractor under cover. I have an Allis Chalmers C that doesn't have any electronics, it starts every time unless the battery is dead, funny how when you add electronic gizmos to a machine that vibrates and works out in rain, snow, and mud, there is an occasional problem isn't it? I read other forums in deciding what brand to purchase and even the all mighty John Deere has a stutter step from time to time believe it or not

 

[dragoneggs]

Well, as a Ham and an Engineer... what can I say?

James K0UA

I take the ham reference a couple of ways.

 

[JoelD]

Nice posts rider7767 on maintenance and wire splicing.
I have 365 hours on my 2004 LK3054XS. She has failed to start one time, was ground wire attachment to frame from battery, removed, cleaned, reattached and never repeated. I am on second battery. Has been an excelent starting tractor. toughest starting machine I owned was JD dozer. No glow plugs and I refused to use starting fluid. She was set up to hook up to truck and splice into warm antifreeze but my truck was not. Just took my time and she would ultimately start.

 

[Kioti Tom]

Your right and wrong.

there are a lot of Kioti wont start threads. but it has nothing to do with cold weather.. Kioti's start wonderfully in the cold and the heat for that matter. I have never owned a tractor that starts as easily, and that includes my 2 Kubota's. My New Holland and My old Long. (not an easy starter in cold weather). The problems stem from electrical component failure in this order. 1: the "ignition" switch. This switch is on the column, and seems to get water in it easily, and it fails. I would recommend all owners shoot some fluid film in their switch whether it works well or not. 2:. Both the starter and fuel solenoid relays on the firewall often fail. They are an easy to procure standard relay you can get at NAPA, but they don't seem to be particularly robust. 3: Third in line is the glow plug relay. this is a 70 amp relay, and does not fail often, but does account for some failures. 4: Battery cable corrosion, often inside the insulation, and not readily visible. I believe this plagues all tractors. This is easily prevented by the liberal application of NO-OX-ID to all battery cables and ground connections upon taking delivery of the new tractor.. I GUARANTEE you will never have a corrosion problem on any electrical connection if you use this product made by Sanchem. 5: The DK series has a lot of Molex like connectors up under the floor pan, and occasionally get water in them and can cause corrosion.. USUALLY from people power washing their tractors.. DO NO POWER WASH TRACTORS. Or if you do just wash the bucket and loader and other metal areas that will not get water into the electrics. Tractors are "Drip Proof" NOT water proof. Think in terms of they are fine in the rain (except the ignition switch) but they are NOT fine to power wash the engine bay or under the floor pan or anywhere water will force itself into connectors.

So this is my analysis of no start problems in Kioti Tractors. Some of these problems plague all tractors, But some like the ignition switch and relays are Kioti specific.

James K0UA

Great Idea about the NO-OX James, I just had to clean up the terminals on my 7.3 diesel battery yesterday. Every time a little corrosion gets on them, the engine is hard to start. I have quite a bit of it here. Just put a beam together last month.

As far as the no start on the Kioti, yes the module controlling the engine stop solenoid on my DS4510 went bad. had me and the dealer scratching our heads and so called Kioti. (First DS dealer had and no shop manual yet). Once I ordered and a got manual, it pointed right to the module as a culprit. Kioti had already said it was that and was replaced on warranty.

another point, anyone have a p/n for the 6 pin plug on back of the Kioti on the light system?

Tom N4KRA

 

[lilranch2001]

I just bought two pints of NO OX (with James's help), Its been to cold to use it yet, but as soon as weather moderates I am going to giver it a go

 

[jeff9366]

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