Things that I don't need on my truck

[Willl]

What programmer are you running and what level are you running it on?

Quadzilla Adrenaline, level 8.

I've got it set to start to detune at 1100.

 

[brin]

I don't need a:

"Service Engine Soon" light.
"Service Tire Monitoring System" light.
"Service Air Bag" light.
"Seat Belt Unbuckled" light.
"Door Open" light.
"Hood Latch Open" light.
"Turn Signal Is On" light.

I just need a simple truck. A truck that doesn't complain to me while I'm driving down the road. Or at least a truck that would say something nice to me now and then.

Totallly agree....the best truck I ever owned with -0- major problems in over 200K miles before the odometer broke was a 1972 1/2 ton pick up I bought with only 5K miles on it...the fella that bought it new brought to back to the Chevy dealer since he could not afford to put gas in it...It was in 1972 and there were gas lines and prices were high...the truck got 10 or 12 mpg. on a good day...but it was a 3 speed on the column, rubber mats, AM/FM radio heat...no A/C , small 8 cyl...and that's it....I mean that was one great truck....I finally traded it to a fella in about 2002 for some work on the farm and it was still running strong after all those years of hard work on the farm and all over....Now there are so many computer this and digital that....so something is going to break and the car companies count on that...service is big bucks to them....Simple is best for us.

 

[Fordman1981]

Quadzilla Adrenaline, level 8.

I've got it set to start to detune at 1100.

Well yeah it is easy to get your egts that high running a program like that. I'm talking stock tune, towing tune and even street tune on my mini max in usually no higher than 800 even getting on it hard. I haven't played with performance tune much. Don't see a point it is a 3/4 ton not a hot rod.

 

[Dmace]

I guess we both don't understand because the only thing you mention is a different computer program.

Boy you really have a hard time with reading, don't you...?
I also mentioned fuel delivery (high pressure pumps, larger injectors, etc...), internal engine components (larger connecting rods, stronger low compression pistons sometimes with extra oil passages, etc...), larger and different designed exhaust, larger sometimes extra cooling, the list goes on.

Are we back to transmission talk? I thought we were talking torque at the crank.

Of course you want to talk power at the crank, it's the only thing that makes the Ecoboost look good and no one can prove. Last I checked that power needs to make it to the ground first unless your one of those that buys by the advertisement (typical Ford buyer) and not by the real world test.

I asked you a question months ago about torque and HP and you left it unanswered. I will ask again here and see if you flee like you did in the past. If HP is so important to you rather than torque, which would make a better engine for a truck:
a HEMI with 395 HP and 407 lb-ft of torque or
a Cummins with 350 HP and 800 lb-ft torque? I kept it Ram terms for your convenience. Hemi has 45 more HP. Just gear that HEMI and it is better.

Actually I responded then and you still didn't get it. Not surprised...
Your only looking at peak numbers and not where it's made. The real show of power is WHERE that HP is made. When that Cummins makes 800 lb.ft at just 1600 rpms, it's making 244 HP. Show me a gas engine that can make 244 HP at 1600 rpms...
Using Ford's inflated engine dyno chart, your Ecoboost is only making 199 HP at 2500 rpms (peak TQ output).

Torque is merely a calculation of where the engine makes it's horsepower. T = 5252 x HP / rpm. The higher the RPMs, the lower the Torque.
As I mentioned before, Torque is a calculated number. Need more TQ? Increase the leverage (gearing).
Horsepower is a measure of "Work" and cannot be calculated, only measured.

So would I take a diesel that produces 244 HP at 1600 RPMs vs a gas engine that produces around 150 HP at the same RPMs...? YES of course if that low end power is needed. Again, your only looking at peak numbers and not where it's made. If the gas HEMI made that 395hp at 2500 rpms, it would be putting down 829lb.ft. I would certainly take that over a diesel.

Now to compare gas engine to gas engine, I will gladly take the one making more HP at a lower broader RPM range regardless of peak TQ output. With TQ numbers nearly equal, I will gladly take the one making more HP as that is the true measure of Work which can be performed.

 

[nahfwt]

Horsepower is a calculated value based on torque. Torque is what the dynometers can measure and horsepower is always calculated based on the rpm. (HP = T * RPM/5252) This is why a torque/horsepower curve always crosses at 5252 rpm. Torque is a turning force (ft-lbs) and horsepower is a measurement of power relating the amount of work a horse could do observed to be 550 ft-lbs per second. Note the units: horsepower is simply torque over time. For a truck to do work a high torque engine (gas or diesel) is what is desirable.

 

[eddie48]

Back to the orig. point. My first truck was a 61 chevy. 6 cyl 4 speed with the creeper low. AM radio and not much else. Worked that truck hard. Now I have an '05 ram 2500 with all the bells and whistles. It's a nice truck to ride in and I love 4WD but...... It left me stranded with an electronic failure- cost me over a grand to get it going again. On the other hand it went over 100,000 miles on the orig tires. Not bad.

Overall, I think the new ones are pretty nice. You have to be an old guy like me to remember changing points and condensor every 10,000 miles and being lucky to get anywhere near 100,000 miles before the vehicle was headed to the junk yard. By the way 1st car was a 1949 Ford coupe. I loved that car.

 

[Willl]

Well yeah it is easy to get your egts that high running a program like that. I'm talking stock tune, towing tune and even street tune on my mini max in usually no higher than 800 even getting on it hard. I haven't played with performance tune much. Don't see a point it is a 3/4 ton not a hot rod.

Sorry buddy, my post was more directed at Dmace's #112 post.

And it's not a "hot rod", for some odd reason I get better MPG on 8 then I do 1.

This is my daily driver and I would never tow on 8.

 

[Dmace]

horsepower is a measurement of power relating the amount of work

Exactly. HP measures work performed.
Torque is what's measured on a dyno but again that number can easily be manipulated with leverage. HP is the measure of work. If an engine makes a ton of TQ but only at low rpms then it will have less HP which means less work compared to an engine making the same or even less TQ at higher RPMs .

Diesel vs Gas is another story because of the way the fuel burns, the HP/TQ in diesel engines does not drop nearly as fast under load because of the different burn patterns.

 

[jejeosborne]

Boy you really have a hard time with reading, don't you...?
I also mentioned fuel delivery (high pressure pumps, larger injectors, etc...), internal engine components (larger connecting rods, stronger low compression pistons sometimes with extra oil passages, etc...), larger and different designed exhaust, larger sometimes extra cooling, the list goes on.

Of course you want to talk power at the crank, it's the only thing that makes the Ecoboost look good and no one can prove. Last I checked that power needs to make it to the ground first unless your one of those that buys by the advertisement (typical Ford buyer) and not by the real world test.

Actually I responded then and you still didn't get it. Not surprised...
Your only looking at peak numbers and not where it's made. The real show of power is WHERE that HP is made. When that Cummins makes 800 lb.ft at just 1600 rpms, it's making 244 HP. Show me a gas engine that can make 244 HP at 1600 rpms...
Using Ford's inflated engine dyno chart, your Ecoboost is only making 199 HP at 2500 rpms (peak TQ output).

Torque is merely a calculation of where the engine makes it's horsepower. T = 5252 x HP / rpm. The higher the RPMs, the lower the Torque.
As I mentioned before, Torque is a calculated number. Need more TQ? Increase the leverage (gearing).
Horsepower is a measure of "Work" and cannot be calculated, only measured.

So would I take a diesel that produces 244 HP at 1600 RPMs vs a gas engine that produces around 150 HP at the same RPMs...? YES of course if that low end power is needed. Again, your only looking at peak numbers and not where it's made. If the gas HEMI made that 395hp at 2500 rpms, it would be putting down 829lb.ft. I would certainly take that over a diesel.

Now to compare gas engine to gas engine, I will gladly take the one making more HP at a lower broader RPM range regardless of peak TQ output. With TQ numbers nearly equal, I will gladly take the one making more HP as that is the true measure of Work which can be performed.

Actually reading comes pretty easy for me when written logically. None of those items you mention are high tech items.

Last I checked a dyno measures torque. From that number, HP is CALCULATED, not the other way around. HP=torque x rpm/5252. Come on not this argument again. Acceleration follows the torque curve not the HP curve.

What real world test have you seen showing the ecoboost isn't a strong motor?

Ok, ecoboost makes 199 HP at 2500 rpms. Hemi makes 180 HP. And your argument is what?

Your answer is still vague, which is it? You said you could use gearing to get your desired torque. Is it the Hemi or the Cummins in this example of real numbers a better truck engine?

You say "I will gladly take the one making more HP at a lower broader RPM range regardless of peak TQ output. ". Why hate the ecoboost then because that is what it was designed to do.

 

[crazyal]

Some of the best free entertainment happens around boat launching ramps!:boat:

A boat launch in the spring is a wonderful time for those who have a few hours to kill. Nothing like those paper pates to let all know who just bought a boat.