The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

[4570Man]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

So how many of you can load stumps that fill dump trucks with single lid grapples?

 

[IslandTractor]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

Stumps of all sizes and shapes are easy peasy with my 48 single. I've moved stumps that size too. The key is grapple jaw opening not dual lids. My single opens 42+ inches. I've grappled and moved stumps bigger than I could lift to dump truck height as my loader capacity is only 2760lbs. You're using a 100hp utility tractor, mine is a 40hp CUT. I just grapple bigger stumps, lift 18" and drive them away.

Stumps are not the objects you dually fans want to concentrate on. Try piles of split and cut firewood or random construction debris instead. Those are good reasons for dual lids.

 

[IslandTractor]

I did state my source and it does make sense. You don't have to agree with it. I am open to better information. Just for reference, is there a weight difference that you would consider nil? I'd go with 100lbs as nil on anything but the tiniest of tractors.

I never got the vibe of selling any grapple from EA. Travis and I had a good discussion about my needs when I placed my order. I didn't feel any pressure to even place an order. Others may feel differently though.

Yes, myopic because the discussion keeps getting focused on a small weight difference in the EA grapples that makes no real world difference to 99% of the people using grapples.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to change you view point or lead anyone to any particular grapple.

Don't tell EA that 100lbs extra weight is "nil". They jump through hoops like they are building a race car to knock even a few pounds off their grapple weights and brag about it (justifiably IMO) when they compare their grapples to standard issue. If 100 lbs was "nil" do you think they'd use thinner more expensive high strength steel to substitute for thicker mild steel?

And remember that 100 lbs is forward of the pivot pins so functionally is about 150 or more off net lift. That might be a "nil" difference for a loader capacity over 3000 lbs like on a skidsteer or utility tractor but for an average CUT with loader capacity of 1200-2000 lbs, that 150lbs is in fact important.

 

[IslandTractor]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

Stumps of all sizes and shapes are easy peasy with my 48 single. I've moved stumps that size too. The key is grapple jaw opening not dual lids. My single opens 42+ inches. I've grappled and moved stumps bigger than I could lift to dump truck height as my loader capacity is only 2760lbs. You're using a 100hp utility tractor, mine is a 40hp CUT. I just grapple bigger stumps, lift 18" and drive them away.

Stumps are not the objects you dually fans want to concentrate on. Try piles of split and cut firewood or random construction debris instead. Those are good reasons for dual lids.

I cannot figure out how to access my photos from the ipad I am using but here is a link to an older post that has a big ole stump securely grappled. Look for the photo with a red SUV in the background. http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...t-debris-grapple-post4293525.html#post4293525

 

[4570Man]

The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

I don't have any other pictures besides logs because it's too dangerous to get out with a hap hazard load to take a picture.

 

[4570Man]

Re: The WICKED Root & Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

Stumps of all sizes and shapes are easy peasy with my 48 single. I've moved stumps that size too. The key is grapple jaw opening not dual lids. My single opens 42+ inches. I've grappled and moved stumps bigger than I could lift to dump truck height as my loader capacity is only 2760lbs. You're using a 100hp utility tractor, mine is a 40hp CUT. I just grapple bigger stumps, lift 18" and drive them away.

Stumps are not the objects you dually fans want to concentrate on. Try piles of split and cut firewood or random construction debris instead. Those are good reasons for dual lids.

You might push stumps that size across the ground, but that's about it. And that stump is bigger than 42"

 

[Cataclysm]

Don't tell EA that 100lbs extra weight is "nil". They jump through hoops like they are building a race car to knock even a few pounds off their grapple weights and brag about it (justifiably IMO) when they compare their grapples to standard issue. If 100 lbs was "nil" do you think they'd use thinner more expensive high strength steel to substitute for thicker mild steel?

And remember that 100 lbs is forward of the pivot pins so functionally is about 150 or more off net lift. That might be a "nil" difference for a loader capacity over 3000 lbs like on a skidsteer or utility tractor but for an average CUT with loader capacity of 1200-2000 lbs, that 150lbs is in fact important.

So what's your estimation of nil with a 1200-2000 lbs loader capacity?

 

[TomSeller]

So how many of you can load stumps that fill dump trucks with single lid grapples?<img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=514724"/> <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=514725"/>

I can do that with both my dual lid and my single lid. I can load a heavier stump with my lighter single lid so that is what I would put on the FEL for a heavy stump.

 

[IslandTractor]

So what's you estimation of nil with a 1200-2000 lbs loader capacity?

Good question. I would think it depends on what I am getting in terms of added functionality for the extra weight. If I were a firewood dealer then 150 lbs would be a fair trade off for the extra wood I could carry as the limitation on load size with firewood is clamping not lift capacity. If I were only interested in moving stumps or logs then IMO all the lost lift capacity is regrettable as the second lid doesn't add anything. For brush it is a toss up as the second lid doesn't add much but also doesn't detract from load capacity as brush just isn't dense enough to challenge lift capacity.

And, I have to come back to the simple fact that regardless of weight penalty significance, dual lid grapples cost more and are beneficial in only limited settings. A narrow single is just fine for the great majority of tasks that a private landowner might need a grapple for.

 

[IslandTractor]

Re: The WICKED Root &amp; Debris GRAPPLE!!!!!!!

You might push stumps that size across the ground, but that's about it. And that stump is bigger than 42"

That photo shows the big maple stump at least 18" off the ground as I moved it slowly a couple hundred yards. Lift capacity and ballast were the limiting factors. That was about as high as I could lift it without staining my shorts. Even with the backhoe mounted the rear end was very light. The stump was however well secured in the grapple. You cannot see the upper lid because the stump was so big the upper tines were clamped on the other side.