The Tractor Challenge KIOTI DK55C Vs Kubota L5030!

   / The Tractor Challenge KIOTI DK55C Vs Kubota L5030! #51  
"It lacked in fit/finish, feel, drive quality, over all finish quality, and over all drive feel."

All of these items are in the realm of subjective differences, not objective differences (i.e. cannot be qualified without dispute). After I looked at Kubota vs. Kioti, I liked the "feel, drive quality" etc much better on the Kioti - again all subjective. It would have been better to have stated this in your earlier post to avoid inflaming the diehard Kioti-folk on the board than to have had to have been asked about it. There is nothing wrong with you prefering one tractor above another, but to say their is no comparison between the two without giving reason why is a bit rude (in my opinion).

If I were you and trading tractors every two years myself, I might have considered a Kubota or JD more thoroughly. The resale factor is (pretty much) an objective thing and I would guess that Kubotas and JDs hold their resale better (after all, you pay more upfront), so since you're paying for the name, so will some other person. I have thought also that the term "off brand" is an insult. I work for a company that manufactures "off brand" food product. We also manufacture "name brand" food products on the same lines, with the same ingredients and to the same specifications. There is no difference in the interior ingredient - you merely have to pay a brand name price for the same thing. Of course, this is not the case with Kioti and Kubota. Nevertheless, there do not have to be tractors termed off-brands - just different brands - they all have a name, and people should use it (unless someone builds a tractor and markets it as an "Off Brand" tractor). Of course, I would also be more likely to buy a tractor that will last my needs for more than two years, but to each their own. Good luck with your 5030.
 
   / The Tractor Challenge KIOTI DK55C Vs Kubota L5030! #52  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It lacked in fit/finish, feel, drive quality, over all finish quality, and over all drive feel. As for resale, that is the most obvious. All I have to do is look at what percentage of drop a 2 year old Kioti takes in my area as compared to the percentage drop that a JD, NH, or Kubota takes. The Kioti drops value nearly twice as fast from it's lower starting point, and apparently is harder to move. )</font>
Well I'm happy to hear that all of the things you didn't like were solely subjective argument. I've seen every model in the current Kioti line, and most of them in the Kubota line and I personally can see that fit and finish is excellent on the Kioti. Not one ounce less than Kubota's IN MY opinion. Many other posters have said the same thing, so subjective is just that.
What you stated was the same thing over and over
fit/finish, overall finish quality (same)
drive quality
feel, overall drive feel
When you exclude the repeats, that only leaves fit/finish and overall feel from your subjective opinion.
Of course every one will decide what IS comfortable for them, and will also decide from themselves about the other subjective parts of your post.
I have to wonder what was wrong with the the fit and finish as the finish of everything on mine is quite excellent, and the fit is too. I don't have any leaking seams, no rough castings etc. That is, after all, what fit and finish is all about. John
 
   / The Tractor Challenge KIOTI DK55C Vs Kubota L5030! #53  
I've said it before and I'll say it again..
I also looked at the Big 3 before purchasing my DK 35. Fit and finish on the Kioti DK's was as good as any I've seen !!
 
   / The Tractor Challenge KIOTI DK55C Vs Kubota L5030! #54  
Hey, no problem. I'm sure you bought what you like. Afterall I don't doubt that you work hard for your money as well as I do. I just have to take quality and resale into my consideration. Things may change with time, but in my part of the country it is a well established fact that the resale value of the Kioti is terrible. Obviously from what you tell me this fact is not deserved, and I honestly have no reason to doubt you, and that fact may change over time. Pick what you like and what you think is best. I did. And I'll gladly state again, I'm able to purchase anything I want, and it was no contest for me. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

For the record, I also love to get people all riled up over Chevy vs. Ford vs. Dodge etc. A fact that I don't disclose during those debates is that I own a Ford, I own a Chevy, I own a Dodge, I own a VW, and I own a Toyota. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Rock on and don't get too fired up; I don't! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / The Tractor Challenge KIOTI DK55C Vs Kubota L5030! #55  
Oh yeah, KiotiJohn, hopefully you don't have to use your tractor to clean up after this nasty hurricane comes through. My mother owns a home in Melborne (sp?) and she has fled. Good luck!
 
   / The Tractor Challenge KIOTI DK55C Vs Kubota L5030! #56  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Oh yeah, KiotiJohn, hopefully you don't have to use your tractor to clean up after this nasty hurricane comes through. My mother owns a home in Melborne (sp?) and she has fled. Good luck! )</font>
Thank you and I'm sure glad to hear your mom got out of there since it's quite likely to come in near there.
My own mother has been distraught for the last few days over all the hype the hurricane is getting.
As for autos, I never want another Ford as I've had terrible luck with them. I'll take a Chevy, Dodge or Toyota anytime. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / The Tractor Challenge KIOTI DK55C Vs Kubota L5030! #57  
<font color="blue"> I own a Ford, I own a Chevy, I own a Dodge, I own a VW, and I own a Toyota </font>

This proves you are indecisive and have mixed standards. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / The Tractor Challenge KIOTI DK55C Vs Kubota L5030! #58  
Hi Guys. Ok here goes, Yep I am a Newbie to this, but...I am a General Contractor, and have been for over 35 years now...So that pretty much nails down my age.

I am getting to the point where I cannot move allot of things around any longer. So I need a tractor.

It needs to be with a front loader and a backhoe.

I do not need it for extremely heavy work !

I need it for making inroads in a New England type of woods.

I need it for moving snow

I need it to dig holes for Sona Tubes for foundations, down to 5 feet, with allot of Rocks here.

I have NO IDEA on where to start, but Kubota, seems to fit my budget, also I need a used trailer ( I would like to stay BELOW $14K)


I have NO IDEA on what to ask for, So if You kind people could help steer me in the proper direction, I would appreciate it.

If You need help in Construction matters, or how to take a Rifle apart, That I Can and Do..do.

Again, Thank You
Gary
 
   / The Tractor Challenge KIOTI DK55C Vs Kubota L5030! #59  
Where in New England are you at, Gary? It would help if you could fill out your user profile if you get a chance.

I just got a Kioti DK45 with FEL and BH for some of the same kinds of work you're talking about (more info and pics, etc, in the Kioti Buying forum), and with only about 25-30 hours on it so far, mostly placing 35 ton of boulders and rip-rap, and regrading/regraveling the road, I'm seriously happy with the build quality, and particularly with the FEL capability. Not to add fire to the tractor wars, but the FEL capacity was better than the Kubotas I could find for the same money.

Speaking of money, see what prices are like through your local dealers, but I'm thinking that for $14K, you may be better off looking at a used tractor. That said, a number of the tractor manufacturers have been offering up to 36-mo 0% interest financing deals, and that could be an option.

Good luck with your choice! The good news is that with the build quality now coming out of lower-cost vendors like Kioti, Mahindra, etc, as well as the "big three," it seems like it's hard to go wrong.

--Rich
 

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