TC40 & JD3720 apples to apples?

benalurker · Jul 7, 2005

First time poster. Found TBN a couple months ago while looking for smaller tractor to replace a much too large IH 966. Been trying to decide between TC33DAss and TC40DAss. I have 6 acres of alfalfa to put up and do a little gardening on the side(80" sidewinder tiller). Also have large windbreak and might need to move trees and branches around. I like the size of the TC33 but I don't think the TC33 will pull the tiller or a baler so that's why I am looking at TC40. I also might need to move some big round bales around up to #1500. I drove both tractors and thought the TC40 ran a lot quieter and smoother than the TC33. Probably because of the extra cylinder. Quote from dealer:

TC40DAss w/17LA loader $23250
QA bucket $400
#400 wheel weights $400
1 remote $350
Sunshade $500

TC45DAss Add $2000

Also add 5.5% NE sales tax and $66 fee if financed.

I am wondering if the TC40 is big enough to operate a small square baler(on flat,sandy ground) or would the extra 5 hp of TC45 be worth the extra money. Do these prices sound reasonable?

MessickFarmEqu · Jul 7, 2005

( First, the ease of fel and bh on and off. NH dealer showed me the whole sub frame assemble that must be installed and removed to attach the bh. Much more difficult than I understand the JD is )\

I'm not sure what kind of mount Deere is using right now on that size machine. NH is using a traditional subframe, lots of companies use it and its a very common mount. The new direcction everyone is going is a 4-point frame... Deere will probably come out with a marking jazzed name for that soon too. While NH does not have one, Woods, Bradco, and a lot of other companies do. You can always use on of their backhoes instead of the NH hoe.

pdub · Jul 7, 2005

( First, the ease of fel and bh on and off. NH dealer showed me the whole sub frame assemble that must be installed and removed to attach the bh. Much more difficult than I understand the JD is )\

I really don't think that taking off the NH backhoe is that difficult... did the dealer demonstrate this??? In my experience the TC45DA w/ 758C (unfortunately it isn't mine) comes on and off pretty easily. Probably the biggest thing that would impress me is that I don't have to take off and reattach the 3-point arms on the NH backhoe... but I would have to with the JD backhoe. Also, a lot of people will tell you that you need to have the subframe to support the integrity of the tractor. The idea is that the backhoe subframe hooks into the loader subframe, so there isn't any real stress on the frame.

JT1972 · Jul 7, 2005

benalurker,
Depending on what size baler you are talking about, I feel I would go with the 45. If you have the baler and an additional wagon, you will appreciate the extra power. The 33 will be too small to safely and efficiently move your roundbales. The 45 will stilll allow you to put on the mid mount 84"deck and has the power you are looking for. The dual power will be nice when doing the bales also. The four cylinder engine does make the unit run smoother as you had pointed out. Which transmission were you going for? The 12x12 TC40A or the hydro TC40DA?

Any questions you have, will be happy to answer.

JT1972 · Jul 7, 2005

Slippy,
Per Pdub, definately have the salesman show you how the backhoe comes off, I think you will be pleasantly surprised. The configuration is set up such that the back hoe does have a subframe, this as PDub mentioned puts the stress on the subframe and not on the unit. Steps for taking the backhoe off are as follows.
1) Set the feet of the hoe on the ground loading the weight of the unit onto the ground and not the tractor.
2) You have a quick pin on either side of the subframe that attaches the hoe to the tractor. These pins can be accessed from either side of the tractor.
3) With the pins pulled, simply get on the backhoe unit and set the bucket on the ground. This lifts the hoe off of the c channel.
4) Last step is unplugging the hydraulics and driving away.

While many manufacturers are cost reducing there backhoe mounts and going to a direct bolt or 3 point mounted configuration, NH still uses a subframe. As PDub mentioned, this adds to the torsional rigidity of the entire unit. Very little of the stress of the backhoe work is put on the tractor itself when you have a design of this type, not so with the use of the rear mounts many manufacturers are now using.

As far as the JD backhoe, look for the 3 pt arms when you are examing the backhoe, all of those components must come off the unit. So as far as saving any time removing the Deere Backhoe, you wont find it on the 3000 or 4000 series.

As far as physical size of the units, Deere is kinda going the route of Kubota in offering a limited frame size to fit many horsepowers. Example the grand L Kubota using one frame for 30 up to 50 Hp. Deere is offering 4 HP ranges in the 3000 frame and 4 models in the 4000 frame where the NH units are using 3 frames for the same Hp ranges.

MessickFarmEqu · Jul 7, 2005

( Example the grand L Kubota using one frame for 30 up to 50 Hp. Deere is offering 4 HP ranges in the 3000 frame and 4 models in the 4000 frame where the NH units are using 3 frames for the same Hp ranges.
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Actually Kubota has two different frame sizes and three different tire sizes for the Grand L's. I've heard the NH guys slip on that at factory meetings.

JT1972 · Jul 7, 2005

Let me correct myself, the 3130, 3430, 3830, 4330, are all very within 50lbs of each other which is probrably the weight difference of the engine. The 4630 weighs 200lbs more due mostly to the engine again. The L5030 by itself has a different frame.

MessickFarmEqu · Jul 7, 2005

I'm a Kubota and New Holland dealer. The
3130/3430/3830 are on one chasis, the L4330,4630/5030 are on another. The 5030 takes a larger tire than the rest of the series.

JT1972 · Jul 7, 2005

I'll take your word for it. Sitting side by side they look the same, and the weight being so close seems like they would be the same frame but you should know.

Thanks for the info.

benalurker · Jul 7, 2005

JT,

Thanks for replying to my post. The price I was quoted was on the HST transmission. I don't have a baler yet but the newer ones I have looked at require at least 30-35 HP, I am assuming that is PTO HP. I would really like to find a good used one though. I think the HST will work great for baling since you can set the throttle to keep PTO speed steady and use the HST to change speed. Watched the neighbors bale with >50 HP tractor and gear transmission. Seemed to have problems with baler every time they throttled back to slow down.

My NH/Kubota dealer showed me pictures comparing all of the advantages of the NH over the Deere that you mentioned in your earlier post. After that I don't know why anyone would want to pay for green paint. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif He even offered to bring a tractor out for a test run. Wish I had a baler to try it on.

By the way, anyone want to buy a good used IH 966 WF with very low hours and near new rubber. Dealer will give me $7000 for trade in.

Ben