Oil & Fuel Synthetic Oil

[Hermio]

It just occurred to me that DarkBlack basically called me a liar. Well DB, you don't know me, and you have no basis to make such a claim. Apparently scurrilous accusations must be what you resort to when you run out of facts to support your case. But everything I posted about my personal use of synthetic oils is true. And I have over 2 million miles of personal vehicle experience with synthetics, not even including tractor experience. I await your apology.

 

[Hermio]

Sound guy is correct. It is a Federal law.

 

[Hermio]

Not sure how Amsoil's 2-stroke oil compares to oil you'll use in a 4-stroke or diesel, but...

I fly a powered paraglider and I have a 202cc 2-stroke on my back. I've seen more guys have engine problems in the sport due to crappy oil. I've used Amsoil 2-stroke oil in my engine since I started flying it and now with over 1000 hours on it, it still cranks first pull, runs great. I haven't pulled the head once. Still original parts and still going strong.

I use it in all my small 2-stroke powered equipment and get the same performance. Easy crank, long life. Heck, I have a cheap Homelite weedeater that was a pain to start and ran like crap. I started using the same Amsoil 2-stroke oil in it and now it runs great. 8 years old and still whacking weeds.

If that speaks to the quality of their oil, I wouldn't have a problem using their oil in my tractor.

I'm getting ready to do the 50 hour service on my 5035 and I want to go synthetic. I'll definitely look at Amsoil.

I often wondered if there really was a benefit to synthetics for two-cycle applications. The oil does not remain in the engine very long, so this comes as a surprise to me.

 

[Hermio]

Sorta how I think about it too. Oil is pretty much oil. If a certain grade is indicated on the bottle, then it's as good as any other brand with the same grade on it.

Buy what ever makes you happy.

Really? MOTOR OIL

 

[Nightforce]

Really? MOTOR OIL

WOW, talk about the motor oil bible! :thumbsup:

 

[Hermio]

WOW, talk about the motor oil bible! :thumbsup:

Yeah, it kinda puts to rest the idea that all oils with a similar spec are equal. Not even close! But one thing I would like to point out about this guy's tests is that they were done with fresh oil, not oil that has been used in an engine for awhile. On the basis of wear tests only, some fresh mineral oils are as good as some of the synthetics, though the best oils in each class were synthetics in most cases. However, in an engine, the more volatile components of mineral oil evaporate, leaving behind the longer molecules which is what the NOACK volatility tests are all about. Some oils go way up in viscosity, even with 3000 mile oil change intervals. Most synthetics do not increase viscosity much, because their base oil has a narrow molecular weight distribution (in other words, same chain length, basically.) Also, the base stocks of most synthetics are more thermally stable, so they do not oxidize as easily. So, under real engine conditions, the synthetics as a group produce less wear than the mineral oils as a group, especially if oil change intervals are extended. I was chagrined to find that the Amsoil 5W-40 oil sold today for diesel engines equipped with DPF systems are not as good as the 3000 series 5W-30 that I used to use. And nothing else out there is, either. But since the Mahindra tractors have no DPF, I will use the 3000 series if I end up buying that Mahindra 5035.

 

[buickanddeere]

You have obviously never poured 10W-30 mineral oil and 10W-30 synthetic at -10F .
You obviously have no clue about coking at various temperatures with turbo operation?

 

[Hermio]

You have obviously never poured 10W-30 mineral oil and 10W-30 synthetic at -10F .
You obviously have no clue about coking at various temperatures with turbo operation?

Whom are you replying to? That post does not seem to relate to what I just said. Synthetics pour better at low temperatures. I have had no trouble starting at -34F with 5W-40 synthetics, though I now use 0W20 in my cars. I have had 3 turbodiesels so far, and I used synthetic on all of them. Even with synthetic, I have taken the time to idle a few minutes before shutdown when I have been towing a heavy load, precisely to avoid coking. My only turbo failure was on my 2005 Ford 6.0l engine, and it wasn't the oil side that failed. It was soot buildup on the turbine side, blocking rotation. But the 6.0l engine had a lot of deficiencies.

 

[DarkBlack]

It just occurred to me that DarkBlack basically called me a liar. Well DB, you don't know me, and you have no basis to make such a claim. Apparently scurrilous accusations must be what you resort to when you run out of facts to support your case. But everything I posted about my personal use of synthetic oils is true. And I have over 2 million miles of personal vehicle experience with synthetics, not even including tractor experience. I await your apology.

I didn't say you're a liar. I implied before, and I'm saying now for the record that I find your story hard to believe. Funny thing: as I write this post, you show as having 25 TBN posts, to go with your 25k oil changes, to go with your 250k car lives!:laughing: Now that's funny.
You certainly won't get an apology from me. You can post all the stories you want here, trying to promote whatever brand you are selling, but I certainly don't have to buy either the product or the internet story you put with it.

 

[Hermio]

I didn't say you're a liar. I implied before, and I'm saying now for the record that I find your story hard to believe. Funny thing: as I write this post, you show as having 25 TBN posts, to go with your 25k oil changes, to go with your 250k car lives!:laughing: Now that's funny.
You certainly won't get an apology from me. You can post all the stories you want here, trying to promote whatever brand you are selling, but I certainly don't have to buy either the product or the internet story you put with it.

Well, now, you wrote "Look at you go! If you're gonna' spread it on... spread it on thick." and "That sounds like a 'story' from an amsoil salesman.". In my book, those two statements constitute calling me a liar. And you did not even do me the courtesy of reading my reply to you thoroughly, where I wrote "And I am not an Amsoil salesman. I have never sold oil in my life." If you can't handle the truth, admit it. But don't accuse me of lying. My only motivation is to clear up some misinformation about synthetic oils on this forum. I have never been involved in the sale of any kind of consumer product, much less motor oil. I make my living as a consulting Chemical Engineer. I am a co-owner of a tree farm on the side, hence my interest in and ownership of tractors. I make my living out of being technically correct and doing research as needed. And I understand not only the fact that synthetic oils have demonstrable benefits, I understand why they do, from a chemistry perspective. Frankly, I don't care what you put in your tractor. You can put kitchen grease in it for all I care. But you do a disservice to others when you claim there is no benefit to synthetic oils when the data show otherwise. As I write this, sitting in my driveway is a 1999 Saturn SC1, with about 280,000 miles on it. I bought it with 32000 miles on it, and switched to synthetic oil immediately. I have kept all the oil change records, and I have used 25000 mile oil change intervals since I got it, changing filters at 12500 miles until Amsoil came out with a filter that is rated for 25000 miles. If you have the guts to come to Ohio to see it for yourself, I will show it to you, and my oil change records. Meanwhile, yes, you do owe me an apology. If you don't provide one, that does not change my life, but it shows others on this forum that you have no honor.

 

[DarkBlack]

You're barking up the wrong tree, with me.
I have never bought amsoil or their fanboy marketing scheme, and the more amsoil shills I run across on the internet, the more confident I am that, I will make it a point to never, ever, do so.

 

[Hermio]

Dark Black, as I said, I don't care whether you buy Amsoil or not. I don't like their marketing schemes either, but the product itself is good. But they are by no means the only synthetic oil on the market. Several posts ago, I linked to "motor oil", where a mechanical engineer tested quite a few oils. Some in his tests scored better than Amsoil, though the Amsoil 3000 series diesel oil was by a wide margin the best diesel oil he ever tested, in terms of film strength and wear protection. But you owe it to yourself to see what his testing methods were and see how a few other oils ranked. The caveat is that his tests did not simulate the conditions inside an engine, which he himself points out. As for me, I would still be using Ultron by Pacer Lubricants if I could get it. Their diester base stock is superior, IMHO, to the aliphatic hydrocarbon base stock that Amsoil uses.

 

[kootch88]

Dark Black, as I said, I don't care whether you buy Amsoil or not. I don't like their marketing schemes either, but the product itself is good. But they are by no means the only synthetic oil on the market. Several posts ago, I linked to "motor oil", where a mechanical engineer tested quite a few oils. Some in his tests scored better than Amsoil, though the Amsoil 3000 series diesel oil was by a wide margin the best diesel oil he ever tested, in terms of film strength and wear protection. But you owe it to yourself to see what his testing methods were and see how a few other oils ranked. The caveat is that his tests did not simulate the conditions inside an engine, which he himself points out. As for me, I would still be using Ultron by Pacer Lubricants if I could get it. Their diester base stock is superior, IMHO, to the aliphatic hydrocarbon base stock that Amsoil uses.

I have found the posts to be very informative. I use castrol edge in my vehicles , and though I know the tests say I can go for long periods between changes, I am old school, but have extended my changes to 6000 miles between changes on my bmw and both toyotas. You have taken a beating here, which I don't understand , because reading the supporting data has been eye opening for me. Keep the posts coming.

 

[Hermio]

At Kootch: Thanks for your kind words. I don't understand it either. All I tried to do was present factual information, and I got accused of being a liar and an Amsoil salesman. I guess some people just do not want to hear things which challenge their beliefs, even if it is about something as mundane as motor oil. BTW, I will be unable to continue my 25000 mile oil change interval on my 2013 Ford 6.7l diesel. Fuel dilution is a problem. Amsoil recommends 10,000 miles for that vehicle. That makes the oil change a bit pricey, but then, so is the truck!

 

[buickanddeere]

You're barking up the wrong tree, with me.
I have never bought amsoil or their fanboy marketing scheme, and the more amsoil shills I run across on the internet, the more confident I am that, I will make it a point to never, ever, do so.

So you are letting your feelings get the way of logic?
I don't like Amsoil's or Amway's marketing but I do prefer the premium quality products. So I purchase direct and don't sell or try to enlist others.
You don't like the Federal or State governments but you fin their roads just fine to drive on. You can't have it both ways.

 

[DarkBlack]

So you are letting your feelings get the way of logic?
I don't like Amsoil's or Amway's marketing but I do prefer the premium quality products. So I purchase direct and don't sell or try to enlist others.
You don't like the Federal or State governments but you fin their roads just fine to drive on. You can't have it both ways.

Funny you should use the word 'logic' in your post, as there is nothing logical about your post.
The use of taxpayer paid roads has absolutely NOTHING in common with purchasing a free market product like motor oil. What a silly attempt at an analogy.
And yes, I can pick and choose what 'for-profit' companies I buy from, for whatever reason I deem important to me.

 

[Hermio]

DB, though that last post was not directed at me, I want to emphasize that I support your right to buy whatever you want for whatever reason you want. My whole point in barging in on this thread was not to convince anyone to buy Amsoil. It was to correct the misinformation about synthetic oils in general, as several have opined that there is no difference in performance between them as a group and standard mineral oils as a group. That opinion is simply factually incorrect, as I have amply demonstrated. That is why all jet engine manufacturers REQUIRE synthetics only to be used in their engines. Yes, that is a different duty but the higher lubricity and greater thermal stability afforded by synthetic base stocks are a benefit for any engine.

 

[DarkBlack]

I haven't debated the testing results of oil, at all. I've debated your assertion that there is no legitimate 'opinion' on the best lube for different people to use in their vehicles. That is a different subject entirely, but you of course, want to merge them as if they were the same.

 

[Hermio]

I haven't debated the testing results of oil, at all. I've debated your assertion that there is no legitimate 'opinion' on the best lube for different people to use in their vehicles. That is a different subject entirely, but you of course, want to merge them as if they were the same.

Actually, you have. Moreover, though I have engaged in polite, respectful dialog with you, you have implied I am a liar and a shill for Amsoil, and you have been similarly disrespectful to others. This forum is for people to share information and to help each other out. You have the wrong attitude in your posts, and you should not be here with such an attitude. You should take a breather and come back when you are ready to help others and not attack those who present data that differ from your beliefs.

 

[DarkBlack]

Hey hermio, Get over yourself, and your 31 amsoil pushing posts.
I've always been a voice on this site for dino oil with good filtration changed on regular intervals. It's what I do for my personal engines, and it's the information I pass on here.
If you can't handle an actual life experience and point of view such as mine, then you need to move on.
I haven't debated a single lab test. Like I said, you're barking up the wrong tree. You need to 'sell' your 25k oil change stories to someone else. Pretty simple.