Starlink

[kcflhrc]

When I hear the word adapter I immediately think after thought, as in oops

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Dishy 2 is rectangular and the router needs an adapter.

What type of adapter? Any pictures of one?

I found it in the starlink store. Weird they don’t include an Ethernet port and you have to put this adapter inline.

 

[LittleBill21]

What type of adapter? Any pictures of one?

 

[LouNY]

Here is the ethernet adapter;

 

[buckeyefarmer]

So order it now? Lol maybe it will beat my starlink which still says mid 2022.

Apparently you can’t order anything till your system is ready to ship.

 

[dmccarty]

So order it now? Lol maybe it will beat my starlink which still says mid 2022.

Apparently you can’t order anything till your system is ready to ship.

I ordered a mount and adapter after I got my order confirmed. Have the dishy but still waiting on the adapter and mount.

We have a wiring closet and the Starlink router just does not fit, and even if it did, I would be concerned with overheating the closet. Starlink just does not have a good solution for those of us with wiring closets. Not really sure what I will do for a permanent installation but I think I am going to have to cut holes in the wiring closet door and have the router mounted outside the closet on a shelf. We also need to use an UPS to on Dishy and that too will be on the shelf. I don't like that but it is all I got. We might use the ethernet adapter to allow us to run the communications to a router in another part of the house. Maybe. First we will see if we get faster access with some wireless extenders that are part of the DSL network. Not that the access is slow, it is very fast, but we might as well wring out as much bandwidth as we can.

Later,
Dan

 

[TheMan419]

Work requires a VPN to access work systems on work devices. As well as a bunch of other security requirements.

We use a different VPN for our home devices.

The transport method, DSL, cell or now Starlink, matters not. VPN protects over all three.

A coworker was hacked via people accessing their wired router which had a hard drive attached with USB. A VPN, or a wired connection to the router, would not have prevented that hack.

Later,
Dan

i also do some work for health care. We have HIPAA training etc all the time. Never have I hever heard we had to use a wired connection. We have to use a VPN to connect to the work server if we are not in the office. In the office I have a wired connection just because of speed. We have a WIFI network in the office but the wired conneciton is faster.

My home office connection is over the cell network, but again VPN so secure.

 

[ponytug]

Long discussion of why Starlink might have removed it over at Reddit.com. Possible theories include;

• Cost savings
• Simplify installations for most customers
• Chip shortages
• Looks...

Nobody outside of Starlink knows why, so one theory is probably as good as another. I lean toward the "simplify" theory, but I have no inside knowledge.

I can't wait to get my Ethernet adapter and pole mount; at the moment, the router is screwed down to a temporary shelf on our barn, facing the house. We are getting 50-75% WiFi signal strength all over the house at 200'+/- away from the router, which I think is pretty amazing.

All the best,

Peter

 

[BigBlue1]

I assume the requirements may be different for different employer's. Just stating what I have ran across for Health Care Employer's here. I even had the same wired requirement for an Insurance Adjuster that worked from home. They required wired ethernet. Farmer's Insurance I believe. And as I stated these machines didn't have wireless capability at all. And yes, all of them use VPN, typically Cisco AnyConnect.

Requiring wired ethernet is, in my opinion, to ensure that workers are in the best possible position to have reliable network performance to do their job and to reduce support calls. The vast majority of folks have no idea how wifi works or how to distinguish between functional issues and "my wifi signal is weak so my stuff doesn't work reliably'. Which leads to many types of problems that a help desk might have to field. They don't want to pay their support folks to deal with those problems.

It's (again, my opinion) not at all about security to require a wired connection. No company who is charged with providing secure access to their systems and security of their data is going to rely on an end user's network configuration to provide that security. They will be utilizing encryption (hide the bytes in transit or rest), authorization (should you have access) and authentication (who are you) to control the security of the data. Those things ensure that no matter how good or bad the local network is secured their data and apps will be safe.

Anyone with a modicum of tech knowledge can get around a 'must have a wired ethernet' requirement with a simple wifi extender that has an ethernet port. Thus, defeating any 'security' a wired network has in your home.

 

[newbury]

https://www.space.com/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-cyber-defense-ukraine-invasion

Musk putting this ahead of Starship development is telling.

With Russia shutting down all the news agencies perhaps Musk could come up with a "dishy" package that could be easily gotten into mother Russia. Think of "Internet Free Russia".
I am convinced that the fall of the Wall was brought about by the flood of information.
I was in West Germany when the Wall fell and drove in (former) East Germany shortly afterwards. It was like driving over a divide going from rainforest to desert.

 

[Fallon]

With Russia shutting down all the news agencies perhaps Musk could come up with a "dishy" package that could be easily gotten into mother Russia. Think of "Internet Free Russia".
I am convinced that the fall of the Wall was brought about by the flood of information.
I was in West Germany when the Wall fell and drove in (former) East Germany shortly afterwards. It was like driving over a divide going from rainforest to desert.

Politics or escalating towards WW3 aside... That won't work at the moment. Russia is a huge landmass. Currently Starlink needs a uplink with line of sight to the same satellite your Dishy is pointing to. There are uplinks near enough to Ukraine apparently to get service there. But Russia is big enough I doubt that's possible for most of the country.

The new generation of birds have crosslink capability so they can relay traffic to another satellite or multiple satellites to find an uplink station. But there aren't many of those birds up yet.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

https://spacenews.com/u-s-general-starlink-in-ukraine-showing-us-what-megaconstellations-can-do/

Starlink started out as a military application and to be used on Mars. After the US military signed off on Starlink after proof of concept was clear for the military function that's when we started hearing about it from a consumer application which as must always does uses consumers to finance technology.

 

[forgeblast]

I don't think it's always a matter of location. Starlink is trying to keep from "overloading" it's network by limiting the number of customers in a given area.

A friend who lives a mile from me here in northeast PA. got Starlink a year ago. I signed up a month after he did and it took over a year before I received the email that my equipment had been shipped. It should be here early next week.

Cant wait to hear how its working for you!!!!

 

[bdhsfz6]

Cant wait to hear how its working for you!!!!

Here we go. I just received an email from Starlink that my equipment order has been delayed. It is now expected to ship on 3/22

The ethernet adapter and angled roof mount are backordered until late April or early May. I'm going to have to cobble something together temporarily when (and if) the dish does arrive.

I found this mount on Amazon that is supposed to fit the square Gen 2 Starlink dish:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XM9DMHW?ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details&th=1

If it's as sturdy as reviewers say, I may use it permanently and cancel the order for the Starlink roof mount.

I'm also encouraged by the Gen 2 router reviews on other forums. The range has improved over the Gen 1 and it is supposed to connect up to 128 devices. If so, I may be able to cancel the order for the ethernet adapter as well.

 

[forgeblast]

Here we go. I just received an email from Starlink that my equipment order has been delayed. It is now expected to ship on 3/22

The ethernet adapter and angled roof mount are backordered until late April or early May. I'm going to have to cobble something together temporarily when (and if) the dish does arrive.

I found this mount on Amazon that is supposed to fit the square Gen 2 Starlink dish:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XM9DMHW?ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details&th=1

If it's as sturdy as reviewers say, I may use it permanently and cancel the order for the Starlink roof mount.

I'm also encouraged by the Gen 2 router reviews on other forums. The range has improved over the Gen 1 and it is supposed to connect up to 128 devices. If so, I may be able to cancel the order for the ethernet adapter as well.

Will you be adding any lighting protection from the mount to the ground?

 

[bdhsfz6]

I have a lightning protected antenna tower that is higher than the dish location so I don't plan on protecting it. There are also utility poles & trees nearby that are taller.

I also have an un grounded satellite TV dish on the roof. We have had lightning strikes here over the years but none close to the house. I know this is no guarantee of protection though.

 

[dmccarty]

To mount Dishy while waiting for the mount I ordered, I screwed some scrap 2x4's together in a square/rectangular shape, then screwed the Dish mount that comes into the 2x4s. The 2x4 "grid" is sitting on part of our roof which has a 3/12 pitch which just happens to look north. One side of the grid is doubled up with two 2x4s to kinda match the roof slope. We have some heavy concrete edgers that weigh 15-20 pounds that I put on the 2x4s to hold things in place. I think I put six of the edgers on the 2x4s so their is plenty of weight holding the grid down.

We had 45+ mph wind gusts the other day and Dishy stayed in place.

I am a bit concerned by lightning but we have trees around us and the highest point of the house is the chimney not Dishy.

Later,
Dan

 

[ponytug]

@bdhsfz6 I recommend a mastic pad between your mount and the fascia, like these;

https://www.amazon.com/CIMPLE-CO-Stainless-Satellite-Installation/dp/B075LQ6RSM

There was lightning (EMP) suppression built into gen 1 antenna cables, and there is a code requirement for voltage suppression at the point of entry, so I assume it is in the gen 2 system somewhere, but I haven't seen it called out in a tear down. I have gas tube and diode suppression on the transition to Ethernet, as the Starlink cable has a proprietary connector on it.

I do think surge suppressors are a good idea on the power cord as well, but I am kind of belt and suspenders when it comes to EMP protection. Cleaning up after a lightning strike is just a total pain. Ordering new electronics, backing up data from backups, if they survived, takes hours and hours of time out of your life, not to mention the hassle of being dead in the water until the replacements arrive.

I would also put in a plug for a whole house surge suppressor back at the main power panel. So much of what we have and use has electronics in it these days, TVs, light bulbs, fridge, washer, plus computers and phone chargers... Whole house surge protection won't solve everything, but it will attenuate the damage. Sitting on the couch here, I count 18 items in view near me that are EMP vulnerable. It is cheap insurance in my book.

All the best,

Peter

 

[bdhsfz6]

To mount Dishy while waiting for the mount I ordered, I screwed some scrap 2x4's together in a square/rectangular shape, then screwed the Dish mount that comes into the 2x4s. The 2x4 "grid" is sitting on part of our roof which has a 3/12 pitch which just happens to look north. One side of the grid is doubled up with two 2x4s to kinda match the roof slope. We have some heavy concrete edgers that weigh 15-20 pounds that I put on the 2x4s to hold things in place. I think I put six of the edgers on the 2x4s so their is plenty of weight holding the grid down.

We had 45+ mph wind gusts the other day and Dishy stayed in place.

I am a bit concerned by lightning but we have trees around us and the highest point of the house is the chimney not Dishy.

Later,
Dan

The Starlink Ridgeline roof mount would have been an alternative but it's no longer available.

 

[forgeblast]

So frustrated, a work friend just got his dish, he put in an order after I was talking to him about it. He is a town over.