Starlink

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Starlink Raises Download Speed Goal From 1Gbps to 10Gbps

SpaceX's Starlink Raises Download Speed Goal From 1Gbps to 10Gbps | PCMag

 

[kcflhrc]

W O W

Starlink Raises Download Speed Goal From 1Gbps to 10Gbps

SpaceX's Starlink Raises Download Speed Goal From 1Gbps to 10Gbps | PCMag

I have a Goal to win the Lottery too

 

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W O W

Starlink Raises Download Speed Goal From 1Gbps to 10Gbps

SpaceX's Starlink Raises Download Speed Goal From 1Gbps to 10Gbps | PCMag

That is a pretty serious game changer for the land based industry.

 

[/pine]

I can see if you have 10 kids at home all wanting to stream different movies or play different games etc...but what does the average user do that can utilize all that bandwidth ?

 

[kcflhrc]

Bandwidth and actual throughput is like a Kia vs a Ferrari. The Kia wants to run 160 mph but it just cant. Latency is another big issue. On my speed tests I run on the fiber I install is typically 3 ms. Satellite internet of any kind will never out perform a fiber connection. But for all those folks like me in rural America it doesn't really matter.

 

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I can see if you have 10 kids at home all wanting to stream different movies or play different games etc...but what does the average user do that can utilize all that bandwidth ?

It's the speed factor. I have yet to see 4k or 8k standardized streams. The current infrastructure cannot support that. gigabit networks could.

 

[tomplum]

Trees are an issue; several beta testers have commented on it. More important is a good view of the northern sky. Because the orbits are inclined from the poles, the satellites are in view for more time at the northern (and southern) limits of their orbits. That poleward view that will have more of an impact on satellite visibility, and therefore uptime until the satellite numbers come up.

Here are some tools to help visualize how it works;
Coverage model to see what kind of coverage you might have.
Starlink satellite orbit simulation to see how the incline affects visibility.

All the best,

Peter

Thank you for the links.

 

[tomplum]

You install the mount more or less pointing up (they say within 40˚ of vertical), and once the dish connects to its first satellite it will orient itself to the best position for maximum coverage. They do want to be able to see a 100˚ wide slice of the sky above, so either mount high or in an open area. They do not have a mount designed for a standing seam roof yet. I might get around to making one using S-5! clamps (designed for mounting solar PV panels and a variety of other hardware on standing seam roofs). We used a ton of those back when I was working with a solar installer. Or I might put it on my garage roof or on a pole. Haven't decided yet. Initially, it will just be on a pedestal out in my yard with the cable run across the ground. I'm not messing around with a roof mount until the winter eases off a bit.

Very cool idea on the S-5 clamps. I never knew they even existed!

 

[shooterdon]

Bandwidth and actual throughput is like a Kia vs a Ferrari. The Kia wants to run 160 mph but it just cant. Latency is another big issue. On my speed tests I run on the fiber I install is typically 3 ms. Satellite internet of any kind will never out perform a fiber connection. But for all those folks like me in rural America it doesn't really matter.

Exactly....

But I hope many potential users get their undies in a knot and decide to skip the beta testing. I will try almost anything to get decent access. Heck, I am so far in the boonies it is 2.5 miles to my mailbox on a dirt road. Uphill both ways...LOL

Those links ponytug posted show my area is not too bad. 90+% coverage currently so that is promising....unless the 10% down is during the day.

 

[lman]

My local electric co-op teamed up with a local phone company to run fiber to rural areas here and I finally got hooked up. It's like night and day compared to my earlier Centurylink DSL. It looks like I won't be needing Starlink. I had been connected to Centurylink/Embarq/Sprint for about 40 years but they decided not to update their system so I won't miss them.

 

[ponytug]

Exactly....

But I hope many potential users get their undies in a knot and decide to skip the beta testing. I will try almost anything to get decent access. Heck, I am so far in the boonies it is 2.5 miles to my mailbox on a dirt road. Uphill both ways...LOL

Those links ponytug posted show my area is not too bad. 90+% coverage currently so that is promising....unless the 10% down is during the day.

Sorry to hear about the uphill both ways trek to your mailbox

The 10% outages will be distributed erratically during the 24hrs, depending on orbits. Not every orbital plane is full, because not every Starlink satellite made it to altitude or the right orbit.

You might also want to bear in mind that your coverage also depends on how low to the horizon your antenna can "see". The default on the coverage map is 35 degrees. If your antenna can see closer to 25 degrees, which is the current Starlink forecast, you will likely do even better. There is a menu option on that coverage map to see what a 25 degree view would be like.

Much as I am looking forward to Starlink, I would love to be able to have fiber, but the nearby fiber providers have all declined to even offer an estimate of what it might cost to run it out here. Such is life. I expect that post Starlink that will probably change as more of us in the area drop DSL, and microwave links.

All the best,

Peter

 

[/pine]

It's the speed factor. I have yet to see 4k or 8k standardized streams. The current infrastructure cannot support that. gigabit networks could.

Strictly from a downstream point of view the average user will never notice a difference between 25m and 1g...Average servers just don't output that fast...it's like using a soda straw's worth of volume in a 6' diameter pipe...!

 

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Strictly from a downstream point of view the average user will never notice a difference between 25m and 1g...Average servers just don't output that fast...it's like using a soda straw's worth of volume in a 6' diameter pipe...!

You seem all about the now.

All about the now, is not taking advantage of technology due to geographic conditions.

Starlink eliminates the geographic issues and presents an opportunity to expand the infrastructures backends to keep up.

 

[/pine]

You seem all about the now.

All about the now, is not taking advantage of technology due to geographic conditions.

Starlink eliminates the geographic issues and presents an opportunity to expand the infrastructures backends to keep up.

Again...strictly from a downstream point of view...do you think users will be watching movies etc. any faster than they are already streaming ??

IMO the true advancement of technology will be in the ability of local storage capacity...and cloud storage of personal data will be a thing of the past...(except for the naive that is...)

 

[LouNY]

You seem all about the now.

All about the now, is not taking advantage of technology due to geographic conditions.

Starlink eliminates the geographic issues and presents an opportunity to expand the infrastructures backends to keep up.

Only for people with the ability to receive the information.
It will be like the people that only had slow dialup with everything going to graphics, it could take minutes to load a page as the graphics came in one line at a time.

 

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Quality of the movie drastically changes.

8k standard vs 720i.

Again...strictly from a downstream point of view...do you think users will be watching movies etc. any faster than they are already streaming ??

IMO the true advancement of technology will be in the ability of local storage capacity...and cloud storage of personal data will be a thing of the past...(except for the naive that is...)

 

[riptides]

Right now my household tech is not the issue. Doubt it will be in a few years too.

Only for people with the ability to receive the information.
It will be like the people that only had slow dialup with everything going to graphics, it could take minutes to load a page as the graphics came in one line at a time.

 

[Oaktree]

Strictly from a downstream point of view the average user will never notice a difference between 25m and 1g...Average servers just don't output that fast...it's like using a soda straw's worth of volume in a 6' diameter pipe...!

Agree totally, but it was never about the technology. It's all about the hype.

Quality of the movie drastically changes.

8k standard vs 720i.

There is precious little 4k content out there, let alone 8k, and I doubt there will be anytime soon. In the meanwhile why not find a way to provide rural access at a reasonable cost?

 

[/pine]

speaking of technology advancements...laser technology is advancing so fast that it could overtake the microwave (12GHz) that Starlink is dedicated to so fast Starlink could be obsolete before it ever gets out of beta testing...!

 

[riptides]

speaking of technology advancements...laser technology is advancing so fast that it could overtake the microwave (12GHz) that Starlink is dedicated to so fast Starlink could be obsolete before it ever gets out of beta testing...!

Is not laser point-to-point? Anything land based will run up against the geography issues of today.