Spreading Stones Technique

[MikePA]

My wife arranged to have 22 tons of stones (really more like stone dust) delivered that are destined for our outside riding ring. Currently, the pile is sitting next to the driveway to our barn, so I will have to pick up a load of stones with the FEL, transport them to the ring, about 30 yards, then spread them out, also using the FEL. No box blade.

My wife was told that 22 tons "should be enough to put at least one inch of new stone on top of the existing surface". When I mentioned to her I might need her assistance in the project, her response was, "The guy who installed the ring didn't need anyone else to assist when he leveled the ring." Needless to say, this guy had years of experience running a TLB (Case 580) and he did this for a living. /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif Apparently, I have set my wife's expectations of my FEL-skills way too high. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

What is the best technique for getting a relatively consistent layer of stones on top of the existing suface, which is also stone?

The two I could think of are;

1. Dump the stones in one spot then back drag it with the FEL about an inch off the ground.

2. Attempt to dump the load of stones while moving.

Of the two, Option 2 would seem to require more skill?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. It looks like we will get a break in all the rain we've been having today and tonight, so when I get home from work this afternoon, guess what I will be doing? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[hogboy]

Mike, option #1 gets my vote. I am kind of in the same boat you are. I've had better luck spreading different material using the dump it in the middle and then back drag from both sides to level it out. At least thats what works for me. It would take a very fine hand to control the rate of dump and if your ground is not level to begin with, well you get the picture.

 

[beenthere]

I can't think of a better excuse to buy (or at least rent) a box blade.

But, once you get it carried to the arena and dumped at least in piles while attempting to spread it a bit (moving while tipping the bucket), spreading it by back dragging will probably surprise you as to how easy it is. AND you will get some practice which will improve your skills.

Spreading this 22 tons to get a 1" cover over a large area is a bit humorous in itself. But our spouses think we can do anything, and maybe we have given that impression by buying the toys to do it. Now go hold out for more toys (or another load of stone at a minimum).

 

[MossRoad]

I spread 90 tons of granulated limestone on one softball diamond infield this spring. I found great success by filling the bucket then rapidly shaking the joystick side to side while backing up. It acted like a salt shaker and spread out very evenly. After I spread it all out, I used the rear heal of the bucket to backdrag the high spots. Then I used the front leading edge(no toothbar) to do a final backdragging skim. Worked great, but a boxblade would have been easier for final leveling. Take pictures /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[Carl_NH]

Option 2 IMO is the best way to do this. I have done several 80' long brick walkways with stone dust and here's what I do.

Start at one end dumping while moving backward covering about 4-5' per bucket load. Then drive over this to the beginning of the pile and feather it back with the bucket as a first pass level.

Once the entire area is covered but still lumpy I use a full bucket of material and back drag with the bucket bottom like MossRoad describes. The full bucket in float spreads the material a little better as the weight helps. You will need to alternate between float/up/down to get the right thickness.

Once this is done then I level the low spots with some more material and backdrag with an empty bucket. With your toothbar you could also use this as a leveler but this may get more foreign material mixed in.

Have fun this PM and post some pics.

Carl

 

[bsauter]

Go option 2!! Dump while backing up and shaking joystick and then go back and backdrag to level. This would be a great time to justify a box blade purchase though!!

 

[jtn]

Option 2. Pick up some dirt somewhere else on your property and practice some. It is not too difficlult. I also recommend wiggling the joystick whild dumping.

Another option you might consider is dumping out several small piles from each full bucket load. This will make back dragging or spreading forward a lot easier.

JT

 

[TimSullivan]

Hi Mike,

Yesterday I spread 42.87 tons of #1 crusher run. These loads had more fines then usual but that will just make it pack better.

I used only the FEL and spread the stone by dumping slowly as I backed up the tractor. If your ring has a fence or not around it, start dumping the stone carefully at the outside edge. I usually drag each load back with the FEL to smooth it out. The angle of the bucket should be close to level. The more tip the more stone you will drag back.

I don't know how large the ring is but take your time and plan ahead. I have a back blade and a box blade and this method works better for me. It is fast. The box blade is great if you are going in only straight lines. The back blade does a good job if you turn the blade around to use the curved side to pull and level the stone. I think the drop and pull FEL method will get it done for you.

Just remember not to try and push the stone.

 

[MikePA]

Well, the estimate my wife was given that 22 tons would be enough to put a 1 inch layer on top of our ring was way off. Here's the pile of stone I started out with this afternoon at 4:30 PM.

 

[MikePA]

Here's a shot after the first 2 FEL loads were dumped. This side of the ring had some major wash out from a rain storm, so the first task was to fill this in.

 

[MikePA]

A shot of the same side, from the opposite end after I had filled in about half of the washed out area.

 

[MikePA]

The first side is almost done.

 

[MikePA]

This is the far end of the first side where the corner was almost all washed out.

 

[MikePA]

Part way through doing the same thing to the opposite side.

 

[MikePA]

Three and a half hours after I started, 22 tons of stone are gone. It was enough to fill in all the washed out areas and put a 1 inch layer on about 20% of the ring.

The method which seemed to work the best, which several of you recommended, was to dump the bucket while backing up. Then move forward to where I started, lower the bucket, put it in float and back drag. I had all the tractor lights on by the time I finished. If it doesn't rain tomorrow, I'll do some more smoothing with the FEL and also pull the drag harrow over it.

 

[frank_f15]

if what u are trying to fill is fairly even then go option #2 u can easily spread stone with this method. shake it out then use the back edge of the bucket to get it level, think u will be suprised what u can do with just a little pratcice.

 

[MossRoad]

You might be better off going by cubic yards than tons.

If my math is correct(and there is a good possibility that it ain't) find the square footage of your ring and divide it by 324. That should be how many cubic yards of material you will need to cover it one inch deep.

Formula:
1 cubic yard equals 27 cubic feet.
1 cubic foot will cover 12 square feet 1 inch deep.
27 x 12 = 324

Hope this helps /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Thanks for the picks. They look great.

 

[dcollie]

I just recently put down 15 tons of river rock (about 1" in diameter) with by BX22 FEL. What really worked for me was to have the toothbar attached to the loader. Then I was able to 'rake' the rocks back to a smooth and even finish by using the teeth on the bar as a rake. Didn't take long at all.....in fact, I was done so fast that I was kinda looking around for more to do !

_Duane C.

 

[gerard]

Mike, other than your estimate being off (We did an 80x 200 outdoor with 2 inches of sand and that took well over 100 ton) save yourself some grief and try and finagle a backblade with skid shoes. Worked even better than the box blade (I have both). Set the skid shoes to the hieight you want and drive. Great for sand or stone dust. Looks like a pool table when your done. I don't care how good you are with a loader you're not going to get a perfectly uniform 1 inch layer without some type of guide/skid shoe set up (Of course you could rig up a temporary gauge to the loader if you want to but a back blade with shoes is the easiest)

 

[MikePA]

gerard, thanks for the tip. I have a Woods RB60 rear blade so all I'd need to buy are the skid shoes. I'll give my local Woods dealer a call tomorrow and order a set.