Some developers are swine.

   / Some developers are swine. #151  
Not to flood this thread; but I have been asked point blank from people several times; "does anyone still build a Jim Walter's home". Nope. No one really does. There is a guy, friend of a friend, that does build some cheap 2/2 and 3/2, small site built homes as spec houses. They are nice, but they have a design model to really reduce costs; sono tube piers; wood framed off grade; and he does much of the framing/piers/roofing himself.

Edit: This guy buys cheap lots, and builds a couple per year, maybe 4-6; in rural subdivisions. This model doesn't work with 100k lots, but works with a $30k lot.


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   / Some developers are swine. #152  
People need to get over the 1970s/1980s idea of what manufactured housing is
Today's equivalent around here is an "Amish building"... aka shed. 12' wide, 2x4 walls.
Disclaimer; that's what I live in. I bought it 10 years ago, fully wired and insulated. I tied into my well and septic and it's fine for what it is. Yet for the same money I could have had a septic poured and capped, and been Gollum for a couple of years until I could have a house built.
 
   / Some developers are swine. #153  
I bought a 35 acre subdivision. It was platted in 1982 next to a Corp of Engineers lake, intended to be used by those from the town displaced from the flooding of the lake.

It was originally 15 lots on 40 acres, with only the 3 closest to the main road selling before they realized the ground wouldn't perk!

So in 2019, I bought the remaining 35 acres still subdivided into the 12 lots that never sold. The original subdivision covenants are listed in my deed, but I am the only member of the HOA and therefore the enforcer!

So I gave myself a variance to live in my RV on the property while I built my house!

So Subdivision HOA head, Maintenance head, Landscape head, and head of Sanitation...the jobs are easy, but the pay sucks!
 
   / Some developers are swine. #154  
I bought a 35 acre subdivision. It was platted in 1982 next to a Corp of Engineers lake, intended to be used by those from the town displaced from the flooding of the lake.

It was originally 15 lots on 40 acres, with only the 3 closest to the main road selling before they realized the ground wouldn't perk!

So in 2019, I bought the remaining 35 acres still subdivided into the 12 lots that never sold. The original subdivision covenants are listed in my deed, but I am the only member of the HOA and therefore the enforcer!

So I gave myself a variance to live in my RV on the property while I built my house!

So Subdivision HOA head, Maintenance head, Landscape head, and head of Sanitation...the jobs are easy, but the pay sucks!
This was kinda a point I made somewhere above, that 72 house lots does not magically mean 72 houses. Depending on their business plan, they might build 2 at the front as demos, and spec homes pretty much right away. Then, again, depending on business model, they spec build others, sell them to builders, or sell them to investors/future home owners. I do know some now, if sold direct to home owner, require starting construction (or atleast getting building permits) within 12 months of closing on the property, to avoid vacant lots. Another thing some do, you have to use their builder, if you buy a lot. Others may only allow certain pre approved models. Others, its not so much that they care, their business model, is spending $1m to turn $620,000 worth of property into 72 $80,000 lots. That does sound real nice, but im guessing they paid $620k for thr raw land, another $50k in design and permitting (the land development, not the houses, thats more), and maybe $2.5M in site work, storm water, roads, ect, for a fair profit of $1.5-2.5m.

I did look on Google Earth are the area north of Goshen, looks like Paradise Valley or similar, and there seems to be a pretty consistent theme; 40-75 homes, single entrance, well buffered, slip lanes or short right turn lanes. Not exactly things of beauty, but fairly basic, functional small subdivisions. Doesn't appear to be any community parks/club houses, ect. Pretty basic, small, boring, subdivisions. Homes appear to be mid range value; moderately sized homes.
 
   / Some developers are swine. #155  
People tend to be attracted to the "new" place, and if one of these sit very long, they kinda get forgotten about sometimes.
 
   / Some developers are swine. #156  
With the impact and required utility hookup fees with water and sewer being the same for a 250k hone as for a 2m home there just no way to pencil out building.

That said buying an existing home with all utilities in is a way to get in the Lear’s expensive way.

Here in the SF Bay Area I see 10 single family homes listed at 300k and less.

Also 150 lots for sale zoned single family starting under 30k

The taxes and assessments are steep plus if vacant the vacant parcel tax adds thousands each year..

It’s a tough go putting up cash to make it work…
 
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