So, you wanna use your tractor commercially

LoneCowboy · May 1, 2008

If you are just going to a friend's to help out (not getting paid), then you just need the SMV
IF you are going to get paid, then you are commercial and you need the SMM plate.

sucks eh?

mojoinco · May 1, 2008

Thanks!

I don't wantta pay no mo' tax man....

Now to explore insurance (wouldn't want an act of kindness to go unprotected).

john_bud · May 1, 2008

mojoinco said:
Now to explore insurance (wouldn't want an act of kindness to go unprotected).

Yeah, no good deed will go unpunished!

jb

mjncad · May 2, 2008

LoneCowboy said:
If you are just going to a friend's to help out (not getting paid), then you just need the SMV
IF you are going to get paid, then you are commercial and you need the SMM plate.

sucks eh?

Which is why I just help out friends...because our Gummint wants to hinder free enterprise all it can.

Plus I don't need the hassles of dealing with insurance if I were going to make a living out of this.

LoneCowboy · May 2, 2008

insurance isn't bad, really.
excavation insurance is outrageous, but we don't do that. (spraying insurance is ridiculous too)

but if you are not getting paid and just helping out your neighbor, there is no contract (because you aren't getting paid) and thus you should have no real liability (negligence perhaps, but no commercial liability)
As always, despite staying at a holiday inn express last night, I'm not a lawyer and you should see one if this bothers you. Personally life is too short to get all worked up about this kind of stuff and pay a lawyer to tell you common sense.
but that's just me.

AchingBack · May 3, 2008

Just some of the mistakes people make when starting a business:

1. Applying at city hall for a business license tax certificate. This guarantees you will pay an annual tax to the city. It doesn't give you a license to do anything except continue paying a tax. This will also guarantee you will receive a form to fill out so the county assessor can tax all of your equipment.

2. Putting a sign on your truck. If you just want to attract fleas, in the form of public servants, go ahead and lie down with them.

3. Applying for a state contractors license. This will guarantee you will not be the owner of your business - just the tax paying operator. The constitution guarantees the right to contract shall not be impared. Government licensing is an imparement, and an impediment.

4. Blabbing to just anyone about what it is you do. It is your business, no one elses. If a government agent questions your status, question their authority to ask you questions about your activity. And remember, if you are questioned, and it comes to you being summoned into a court for "breaking the law", ninety percent of the information used to convict you, comes from your blabber mouth.

It is best just to quietly go about performing your God given right and responsibility to make a living.

**** the beauracracy. Long live freedom.

AlanB · May 5, 2008

AchingBack said:
Just some of the mistakes people make when starting a business:

1. Applying at city hall for a business license tax certificate. This guarantees you will pay an annual tax to the city. It doesn't give you a license to do anything except continue paying a tax. This will also guarantee you will receive a form to fill out so the county assessor can tax all of your equipment.

2. Putting a sign on your truck. If you just want to attract fleas, in the form of public servants, go ahead and lie down with them.

3. Applying for a state contractors license. This will guarantee you will not be the owner of your business - just the tax paying operator. The constitution guarantees the right to contract shall not be impared. Government licensing is an imparement, and an impediment.

4. Blabbing to just anyone about what it is you do. It is your business, no one elses. If a government agent questions your status, question their authority to ask you questions about your activity. And remember, if you are questioned, and it comes to you being summoned into a court for "breaking the law", ninety percent of the information used to convict you, comes from your blabber mouth.

It is best just to quietly go about performing your God given right and responsibility to make a living.

**** the beauracracy. Long live freedom.

I guess that is one approach, then again those "fleas" get along real well with the guys with the blue lights and a gun and the discussions can be painful.

That, and when flying under the radar, it is easy to crash, and by definition you will not go very "high".

But too each his own.

Of course it is guys like you that guys like me get aggravated about when you come in and lowball a job as you are practicing your "freedoms".

AchingBack · May 5, 2008

AlanB said:
Of course it is guys like you that guys like me get aggravated about when you come in and lowball a job as you are practicing your "freedoms".

Quite the contrary. In another thread I mentioned charging $35-40 an hour for operating a WALK-BEHIND, all terrain, field and brush mower. Low balling, whatever that is, sounds like something I wouldn't want to get involved in.

Farmwithjunk · May 5, 2008

AchingBack said:
Just some of the mistakes people make when starting a business:

1. Applying at city hall for a business license tax certificate. This guarantees you will pay an annual tax to the city. It doesn't give you a license to do anything except continue paying a tax. This will also guarantee you will receive a form to fill out so the county assessor can tax all of your equipment.

2. Putting a sign on your truck. If you just want to attract fleas, in the form of public servants, go ahead and lie down with them.

3. Applying for a state contractors license. This will guarantee you will not be the owner of your business - just the tax paying operator. The constitution guarantees the right to contract shall not be impared. Government licensing is an imparement, and an impediment.

4. Blabbing to just anyone about what it is you do. It is your business, no one elses. If a government agent questions your status, question their authority to ask you questions about your activity. And remember, if you are questioned, and it comes to you being summoned into a court for "breaking the law", ninety percent of the information used to convict you, comes from your blabber mouth.

It is best just to quietly go about performing your God given right and responsibility to make a living.

**** the beauracracy. Long live freedom.

You forgot rule #5. Never leave fingerprints at the scene of the crime. Actually, that should be your rule #1 when operating an ILLEGAL business.

Breaking every ordinance, law, code, and common sense rule known to man is a good way to make a quick buck. So is sticking up convenience stores. It's a BETTER way to end up having the "man" breathing down your neck. A REAL business plays by the rules. A fly-by-night con game makes up their own rules as the game plays on.

"90% of the information used to convict you, comes from your blabber mouth"...... Possibly, but 100% of the REASON why you're being convicted in the first place DEFINATELY comes about from a gross disregard for the law.