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It was the hope of reducing my risk of heart attack and stroke that made be get serious about making it work but it was the falling asleep at the wheel and keyboard that made it clear I had a problem. A lack of oxygen to the brain is a serious health issue.

To make it work was just a decision like to stop eating foods containing added sugars and or any form of any grain.

Having the ability to only see in black and white helps me in decision making processes.
 
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The Low Carb Atkins Diet is the only diet that I have ever been successful using. I just need to be committed for life to a doable program. Went to the Doc today and had all blood work and such done just to make sure this weight loss plan was a safe and a good fit to meet my goals.

I needed a Rx for high dose potassium and is all I needed to get started. Always get admonished to drink more water though. I will either succeed this time or die trying.
 
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The Wife had her nose rebuilt last year as she had absolutely no cartilage due to a snow machine vs airplane collision when a youngster. She didn't know it and it only took 45 years to figure it out. Her surgery was very painful and took 2 months to heal. She can finally say that the pain was well worth it because she can breathe thru her nose now.

Yes sir at times it take a while for us to figure things out. The medical industry is about money rare is a doctor that actually takes the time to drill down to root cause. Happy for her results no doubt it even altered her outlook on life in a much more positive manner.

Snoring is great for media entertainment and social circles. Many had a good laugh on stories of my chain saw imitation. But now life is so much better. I fell for the many that suffer through this and have yet to find a solution that is a fit for them. All I can add never give up looking!
 
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Yes sir at times it take a while for us to figure things out. The medical industry is about money rare is a doctor that actually takes the time to drill down to root cause. Happy for her results no doubt it even altered her outlook on life in a much more positive manner.

Snoring is great for media entertainment and social circles. Many had a good laugh on stories of my chain saw imitation. But now life is so much better. I fell for the many that suffer through this and have yet to find a solution that is a fit for them. All I can add never give up looking!

The problem is, is that you are unaware that you feel that bad because it sneaks up on you over a long period of time. You may just think it is due to ageing or injury and you must live with it. NOPE! Find a Good, Supportive Doctor. Find a Support Group. Find a Good Friend to commiserate with and be willing to change. I think just about everyone can improve their quality of life if they just knew what to do.
 
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The Low Carb Atkins Diet is the only diet that I have ever been successful using. I just need to be committed for life to a doable program. Went to the Doc today and had all blood work and such done just to make sure this weight loss plan was a safe and a good fit to meet my goals.

I needed a Rx for high dose potassium and is all I needed to get started. Always get admonished to drink more water though. I will either succeed this time or die trying.

Four years I knew I was dying if I did not get my wrong eating addressed. Just cutting out added sugar and or any form of any grain resolved my binging of high carb/high fat processed foods within the first two months. The first two weeks where hellish because I was running out of time and had to do it cold turkey after two months of tapering off carbs was a total failure AGAIN. Lost 50 pounds have maintained that loss for 3 years now eating all that I want finally.
 
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Four years I knew I was dying if I did not get my wrong eating addressed. Just cutting out added sugar and or any form of any grain resolved my binging of high carb/high fat processed foods within the first two months. The first two weeks where hellish because I was running out of time and had to do it cold turkey after two months of tapering off carbs was a total failure AGAIN. Lost 50 pounds have maintained that loss for 3 years now eating all that I want finally.

Congrats on your success and determination. I've actually been on this diet for one week now. Cravings haven't been bad yet and I've lost a solid 2 pounds. This is going to be a life-long process I think. Not much of a sugar nut but I do love potatoes, rice and bread. The Wife is on board to keep me on the straight and narrow.
 
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Kenlip,

Can these mouthgards be made for denture wearers? Most denture wearers don't wear their dentures to bed.

Hi Doofy

It is definitely not easy to make them for edentulous patients, but it's not impossible. The part that fits over the lower jaw is the bigger problem, with the upper part being relatively stable on the the larger and firmer upper arch and palate.

Ideally, as a minimum, one would want to insert two dental implants into the lower jaw bone. These implants can be used to provide excellent stability for the MAS.

Not only do the implants stabilise the MAS, they can also be used to stabilise the lower denture. Having a denture stabilised this way can be a life changer for many people, who battle with loose and unstable lower dentures. Contrary to what one would imagine (we expect gravity to be a big factor), upper dentures are usually very stable. I very seldom need to use implants to stabilise an upper denture, but always recommend implants to stabilise lower dentures if the patient has adequate bone and can afford the treatment.

Ken
 
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Hi Doofy

It is definitely not easy to make them for edentulous patients, but it's not impossible. The part that fits over the lower jaw is the bigger problem, with the upper part being relatively stable on the the larger and firmer upper arch and palate.

Ideally, as a minimum, one would want to insert two dental implants into the lower jaw bone. These implants can be used to provide excellent stability for the MAS.

Not only do the implants stabilise the MAS, they can also be used to stabilise the lower denture. Having a denture stabilised this way can be a life changer for many people, who battle with loose and unstable lower dentures. Contrary to what one would imagine (we expect gravity to be a big factor), upper dentures are usually very stable. I very seldom need to use implants to stabilise an upper denture, but always recommend implants to stabilise lower dentures if the patient has adequate bone and can afford the treatment.

Ken

Ken,
Thanks for the info. That was very enlightening. I seldom wear my dentures as they are ridiculously large and miserable. The Dentist insisted that I needed a "Bold" smile even though I insisted on having my normal size. He also insisted that I wait a full year from the time the teeth were pulled until he made my dentures. Worst experience Ever! Stupidest thing I've ever done.
 
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The problem is, is that you are unaware that you feel that bad because it sneaks up on you over a long period of time. You may just think it is due to ageing or injury and you must live with it. NOPE! Find a Good, Supportive Doctor. Find a Support Group. Find a Good Friend to commiserate with and be willing to change. I think just about everyone can improve their quality of life if they just knew what to do.

Nailed it.
We live like the frog in a pot of water and adjust to our life never noticing.
My case as well. It was not until after the recovery that I took my first deep breath and got dizzy.

NOW i understand what my DI was hollering at me for when he said breath in through your nose maggot and out your mouth.....duh if only I could 45 years ago...lol
 
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Nailed it.
We live like the frog in a pot of water and adjust to our life never noticing.
My case as well. It was not until after the recovery that I took my first deep breath and got dizzy.

NOW i understand what my DI was hollering at me for when he said breath in through your nose maggot and out your mouth.....duh if only I could 45 years ago...lol

Exactly! You just don't know what you have never experienced. People just can't understand that. Even "Professionals" can be idiots and not understand. Some people live with easily fixed miserable disabilities all their lives because they just didn't know and thought it was normal.
 
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Ken,
Thanks for the info. That was very enlightening. I seldom wear my dentures as they are ridiculously large and miserable. The Dentist insisted that I needed a "Bold" smile even though I insisted on having my normal size. He also insisted that I wait a full year from the time the teeth were pulled until he made my dentures. Worst experience Ever! Stupidest thing I've ever done.


Doofy,

Of course, I can't comment on specifics about your case, but there are a few points that I can address is a generic way.

I understand the dentist wanting to give you a 'bold' smile. USA dentists and patients tend to want to go for teeth that are larger and a lot whiter than natural teeth. However, while no real harm is done by making the teeth too white, a lot of harm can be done by making the teeth on the dentures too large. The temperomandibular joint (jaw joint) is designed to function within a certain range of movement. The muscles that control the jaw are likewise designed to function within a certain range. While both the joint and the muscles are tolerant of slight deviations out of the range, any large deviations can be most uncomfortable and can actually lead to damage to the joint, and muscular symptoms that might range from simple muscle pain to debilitating migraine-type headaches, neck pain, etc.

His suggestion of waiting a year after the extractions before making the dentures is based on the fact that the bone remodels after the teeth are extracted. Basically, the bone shrinks in volume over time. If one waits for the bulk of the remodelling of the bone to occur, one requires fewer relines and adjustments of the dentures. That is all well and good in terms of making dentures that require less maintenance, but one should never lose sight of what the patient has to go through during that process.

In the rare cases where I have to remove all of a patient's teeth, I will almost always provide an 'immediate denture'. I won't go into the technicalities of how this is produced, but suffice it to say that the patient leaves my surgery with a denture in place at the end of the appointment when the teeth are extracted. Of course, there will be exceptions, but I can't recall when last a patient left my surgery without a denture in place.

Of course, the immediate dentures require a lot more management - usually a reline at 3-6 months, another reline at 12-18 months and new dentures after about 3 years. That adds to the hassle and expense for the patient, but those are small prices to pay for not having to go without teeth for any time at all.

In summary, from your description of your denture experience, it would seem prudent that you get new dentures made. Ideally, you would also get two implants inserted into the bone and precision attachments fitted that allow the lower denture to clip to the implants. They will change your life for the better to an extent that you can't imagine possible.

Ken
 
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Ken,

If or when I get new dentures would definitely get the implements. I have a very robust jaw bone. The Wife did not and her implants both came out in less than a year. All the Dentist had to say was "Oh, we don't use that type any more". Lame. They removed the implant socket from the denture and did a free re-line. This was not a cheesy, Mall practice either.

I also just began a sinus flushing routine and this appears to also quieten the Snore-Monster. Thank You for your opinions and advice. Cheers!:drink:
 
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Ken,

If or when I get new dentures would definitely get the implements. I have a very robust jaw bone. The Wife did not and her implants both came out in less than a year. All the Dentist had to say was "Oh, we don't use that type any more". Lame. They removed the implant socket from the denture and did a free re-line. This was not a cheesy, Mall practice either.

I always tell my implant patients that the bone is living tissue and there is always a possibility of failure. I usually give the analogy of planting 100 seedlings. Probably not every one of them is going to survive. In my practice, if an implant failed within a year, I would replace it free of charge.

There are multiple factors involved in implant success and failure, besides implant design and operator technique. Some factors are volume of bone; quality of bone; diabetes; osteoporosis (mainly women); history of periodontal disease; and one of the biggest factors of all- smoking. It is very rarely that I am prepared to place implants in a smoker.

I also just began a sinus flushing routine and this appears to also quieten the Snore-Monster.

Anything that can help to improve the flow of air is worth doing.
 
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WOWZA! I put a snoring app on my phone because I really didn't believe the Wife's hollering about the loudness and duration of my snoring. That was a real eye-opener.

50 -75% of my sleep time is spent snoring heavily. Never had a clue except for the occasional sore throat and "bent" wife. If weight loss doesn't help I will probably end up seeing a Sleep Doctor.
 
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In this video, the patient stops breathing for 40 seconds. Symptoms of Obstructive Sleep Apnoea (OSA)' - YouTube

Take a deep breath and try to hold it for 40 seconds.
How did you go?
Imagine doing this multiple times per hour!


You think 40 seconds is bad? This woman stops breathing for 80 seconds!

obstructive sleep apnoea 8 seconds 51% oxygen saturation - YouTube


Sleep apnoea is not only a problem for the aging and obese. Imagine what the lack of oxygen might be doing to the development of this child's brain.

Toddler stops breathing, sleep apnea (apnoea) - YouTube

Ken
 
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In this video, the patient stops breathing for 40 seconds. Symptoms of Obstructive Sleep Apnoea (OSA)' - YouTube

Take a deep breath and try to hold it for 40 seconds.
How did you go?
Imagine doing this multiple times per hour!


You think 40 seconds is bad? This woman stops breathing for 80 seconds!

obstructive sleep apnoea 8 seconds 51% oxygen saturation - YouTube


Sleep apnoea is not only a problem for the aging and obese. Imagine what the lack of oxygen might be doing to the development of this child's brain.

Toddler stops breathing, sleep apnea (apnoea) - YouTube

Ken

It was after a guy with no family history of heart problems had a massive heart attack that they blamed on sleep apnea that woke me up because sleep apnea does run in my family and I had it bad. I was 54 before I got my 14 years ago.
 
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Ken,
Good but scary videos. I am mostly a side-sleeper and am just now finding out that I snore much less when on my left side. I don't appear to stop breathing. With the sleep app, I can track the entire night with both a graph and actual sound. Very shocking.
 
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Ken,
Good but scary videos. I am mostly a side-sleeper and am just now finding out that I snore much less when on my left side. I don't appear to stop breathing. With the sleep app, I can track the entire night with both a graph and actual sound. Very shocking.

I am not sure which sleep app you have, but the apps I am familiar with are sound activated. In other words, when you snore, the sound activates the app to start recording. When the snoring stops, the app stops recording.

This is great for people who actually snore. However, many people stop breathing without making any sound. One could be having dozens of these silent episodes per night without the app ever being activated.

While the app will help identify the snorers, and that is a good thing, one needs to look at many other factors that might hint at the need for a sleep study. Do you wake up in the morning feeling refreshed or are you still tired?; is your bed a mess or tidy when you wake up?; Do you fall asleep when watching TV?; Do you fall asleep when you are a passenger in car?; etc.

Two great screening tools are the STOP-BANG questionnaires.

Ken
 
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Ken,
Certainly failed the Stop-Bang Quiz. I am serious about losing about 72 pounds. If that fails to stop the snoring then I will definitely see a Sleep Dr. or if the wife notices that I stop breathing at night.
 
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Doofy, I agree with the weight loss. I am in the same situation, need to lose 72lbs (more would be nice, but that would be a great start). I snore, more on my left side than when I slept on my right side.

Years ago (before I gained the last 50+lbs), I snored and my wife said I would sometimes stop breathing for a bit. We had a cat that claimed me as her human, raised her from a kitten. She liked to sleep around my head for some reason. My wife was watching me one night when I stopped breathing and the cat pawed my cheek gently and I started breathing again. The cat apparently did that during the night without me knowing, but my wife saw it many times. I seldom stop breathing nowadays, but I do snore and the weight loss will help that among other things.

Stay the course, you can do it. Others on TBN have lost weight and kept it off.
 

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