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   / SNORING! #31  
Ken,
Thanks for the info. That was very enlightening. I seldom wear my dentures as they are ridiculously large and miserable. The Dentist insisted that I needed a "Bold" smile even though I insisted on having my normal size. He also insisted that I wait a full year from the time the teeth were pulled until he made my dentures. Worst experience Ever! Stupidest thing I've ever done.


Doofy,

Of course, I can't comment on specifics about your case, but there are a few points that I can address is a generic way.

I understand the dentist wanting to give you a 'bold' smile. USA dentists and patients tend to want to go for teeth that are larger and a lot whiter than natural teeth. However, while no real harm is done by making the teeth too white, a lot of harm can be done by making the teeth on the dentures too large. The temperomandibular joint (jaw joint) is designed to function within a certain range of movement. The muscles that control the jaw are likewise designed to function within a certain range. While both the joint and the muscles are tolerant of slight deviations out of the range, any large deviations can be most uncomfortable and can actually lead to damage to the joint, and muscular symptoms that might range from simple muscle pain to debilitating migraine-type headaches, neck pain, etc.

His suggestion of waiting a year after the extractions before making the dentures is based on the fact that the bone remodels after the teeth are extracted. Basically, the bone shrinks in volume over time. If one waits for the bulk of the remodelling of the bone to occur, one requires fewer relines and adjustments of the dentures. That is all well and good in terms of making dentures that require less maintenance, but one should never lose sight of what the patient has to go through during that process.

In the rare cases where I have to remove all of a patient's teeth, I will almost always provide an 'immediate denture'. I won't go into the technicalities of how this is produced, but suffice it to say that the patient leaves my surgery with a denture in place at the end of the appointment when the teeth are extracted. Of course, there will be exceptions, but I can't recall when last a patient left my surgery without a denture in place.

Of course, the immediate dentures require a lot more management - usually a reline at 3-6 months, another reline at 12-18 months and new dentures after about 3 years. That adds to the hassle and expense for the patient, but those are small prices to pay for not having to go without teeth for any time at all.

In summary, from your description of your denture experience, it would seem prudent that you get new dentures made. Ideally, you would also get two implants inserted into the bone and precision attachments fitted that allow the lower denture to clip to the implants. They will change your life for the better to an extent that you can't imagine possible.

Ken
 
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#32  
Ken,

If or when I get new dentures would definitely get the implements. I have a very robust jaw bone. The Wife did not and her implants both came out in less than a year. All the Dentist had to say was "Oh, we don't use that type any more". Lame. They removed the implant socket from the denture and did a free re-line. This was not a cheesy, Mall practice either.

I also just began a sinus flushing routine and this appears to also quieten the Snore-Monster. Thank You for your opinions and advice. Cheers!:drink:
 
   / SNORING! #33  
Ken,

If or when I get new dentures would definitely get the implements. I have a very robust jaw bone. The Wife did not and her implants both came out in less than a year. All the Dentist had to say was "Oh, we don't use that type any more". Lame. They removed the implant socket from the denture and did a free re-line. This was not a cheesy, Mall practice either.

I always tell my implant patients that the bone is living tissue and there is always a possibility of failure. I usually give the analogy of planting 100 seedlings. Probably not every one of them is going to survive. In my practice, if an implant failed within a year, I would replace it free of charge.

There are multiple factors involved in implant success and failure, besides implant design and operator technique. Some factors are volume of bone; quality of bone; diabetes; osteoporosis (mainly women); history of periodontal disease; and one of the biggest factors of all- smoking. It is very rarely that I am prepared to place implants in a smoker.

I also just began a sinus flushing routine and this appears to also quieten the Snore-Monster.

Anything that can help to improve the flow of air is worth doing.
 
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#34  
WOWZA! I put a snoring app on my phone because I really didn't believe the Wife's hollering about the loudness and duration of my snoring. That was a real eye-opener.

50 -75% of my sleep time is spent snoring heavily. Never had a clue except for the occasional sore throat and "bent" wife. If weight loss doesn't help I will probably end up seeing a Sleep Doctor.
 
   / SNORING! #35  
In this video, the patient stops breathing for 40 seconds. Symptoms of Obstructive Sleep Apnoea (OSA)' - YouTube

Take a deep breath and try to hold it for 40 seconds.
How did you go?
Imagine doing this multiple times per hour!


You think 40 seconds is bad? This woman stops breathing for 80 seconds!

obstructive sleep apnoea 8 seconds 51% oxygen saturation - YouTube


Sleep apnoea is not only a problem for the aging and obese. Imagine what the lack of oxygen might be doing to the development of this child's brain.

Toddler stops breathing, sleep apnea (apnoea) - YouTube

Ken
 
   / SNORING! #36  
In this video, the patient stops breathing for 40 seconds. Symptoms of Obstructive Sleep Apnoea (OSA)' - YouTube

Take a deep breath and try to hold it for 40 seconds.
How did you go?
Imagine doing this multiple times per hour!


You think 40 seconds is bad? This woman stops breathing for 80 seconds!

obstructive sleep apnoea 8 seconds 51% oxygen saturation - YouTube


Sleep apnoea is not only a problem for the aging and obese. Imagine what the lack of oxygen might be doing to the development of this child's brain.

Toddler stops breathing, sleep apnea (apnoea) - YouTube

Ken

It was after a guy with no family history of heart problems had a massive heart attack that they blamed on sleep apnea that woke me up because sleep apnea does run in my family and I had it bad. I was 54 before I got my 14 years ago.
 
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#37  
Ken,
Good but scary videos. I am mostly a side-sleeper and am just now finding out that I snore much less when on my left side. I don't appear to stop breathing. With the sleep app, I can track the entire night with both a graph and actual sound. Very shocking.
 
   / SNORING! #38  
Ken,
Good but scary videos. I am mostly a side-sleeper and am just now finding out that I snore much less when on my left side. I don't appear to stop breathing. With the sleep app, I can track the entire night with both a graph and actual sound. Very shocking.

I am not sure which sleep app you have, but the apps I am familiar with are sound activated. In other words, when you snore, the sound activates the app to start recording. When the snoring stops, the app stops recording.

This is great for people who actually snore. However, many people stop breathing without making any sound. One could be having dozens of these silent episodes per night without the app ever being activated.

While the app will help identify the snorers, and that is a good thing, one needs to look at many other factors that might hint at the need for a sleep study. Do you wake up in the morning feeling refreshed or are you still tired?; is your bed a mess or tidy when you wake up?; Do you fall asleep when watching TV?; Do you fall asleep when you are a passenger in car?; etc.

Two great screening tools are the STOP-BANG questionnaires.

Ken
 
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#39  
Ken,
Certainly failed the Stop-Bang Quiz. I am serious about losing about 72 pounds. If that fails to stop the snoring then I will definitely see a Sleep Dr. or if the wife notices that I stop breathing at night.
 
   / SNORING! #40  
Doofy, I agree with the weight loss. I am in the same situation, need to lose 72lbs (more would be nice, but that would be a great start). I snore, more on my left side than when I slept on my right side.

Years ago (before I gained the last 50+lbs), I snored and my wife said I would sometimes stop breathing for a bit. We had a cat that claimed me as her human, raised her from a kitten. She liked to sleep around my head for some reason. My wife was watching me one night when I stopped breathing and the cat pawed my cheek gently and I started breathing again. The cat apparently did that during the night without me knowing, but my wife saw it many times. I seldom stop breathing nowadays, but I do snore and the weight loss will help that among other things.

Stay the course, you can do it. Others on TBN have lost weight and kept it off.
 

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