Buying Advice Skid steer with gas engine

[BillySunday]

What manufacture makes a track skid steer with a gas engine? I need a new one. The DEF problems on the Kubota are causing too many problems with down time and money.

 

[lostcreekranch]

If you think dealing with Tier 4 issues are challenging you’ll really like dealing with ethanol contaminated gasoline.

Can you please detail problems you’re having? Kubota Model? Hours?

 

[BillySunday]

If you think dealing with Tier 4 issues are challenging you値l really like dealing with ethanol contaminated gasoline.

Can you please detail problems youæ±*e having? Kubota Model? Hours?

Thank you for your response. I bought my Kubota M5-111 new. It now has 480 hours on it. Perfect tractor until a DEF warning light came on with a 120 min countdown clock showing how many minutes I had until my engine starts running at half speed. I changed the DEF with a DEF manufacturing date 3 months old but the warning light continued. I called Kubota Service. They said I had to bring it in that this is a common problem they are having with tractors and skid-steers. The part is in a closed system requiring the whole system to be replaced which is on back-order because they are replacing so many of them. I asked if they had fixed the problem with the new part or are they replacing this part that caused so many problems with another problem part. Mike with Kubota Service said, "I don't know." Several thousand dollar repair that is covered under warranty. My tractor will not be under warranty forever and I have a defective part that is possibly being replaced with an equivalent defective part. Thank you for taking an interest in my problem. I'm not buying another diesel truck, tractor, or skid steer. I am shutting down my business and selling all my diesel equipment because I can't afford new problems. I already had enough problems with weather, equipment, fertilizer cost, seed cost, cattle problems, etc... Now I have a device on my new $90,000 tractor that shuts it down with a 2 hour or less warning that requires thousands of dollars to fix. Thank you again.

 

[dodge man]

I’m not trying to sound harsh but I’m going to say it. You are giving up on all things Diesel because of one problem? Closing your business because of it? I get the problem is frustrating but deal with it. If you hate the diesel emissions problems shop used stuff that doesn’t have it. Diesels rule the heavy equipment and tractor market, it’s going to be tough to find gas engines in that market.

 

[lostcreekranch]

I think there’s more to this story that OP isn’t sharing? Seems a pretty severe response to a problem being covered by warranty?

 

[CincyFlyer]

I think there’s more to this story that OP isn’t sharing? Seems a pretty severe response to a problem being covered by warranty?

It would seem so. Would he give up women because he found a bad one? I doubt it. I didn't give up cell phones just because Samsung Note 7 phones frequently became incendiary devices!

 

[s219]

In another topic he mentioned the tractor has been in the shop for a month. That would piss me off too.

 

[lostcreekranch]

The other thread indicates that he “Ended Up Buying a JD 5115M” 3 hours ago??? 12 hours ago he was looking for a gasoline skid steer. Pretty busy Christmas Day?

 

[BillySunday]

I don't know who's thread you are talking about but I did not buy a JD 5115M nor did I say I did. I said my tractor has 480 hours on it with a several thousand $ problem. My $90,000 tractor will not be under warranty forever. If this problem disables my tractor at 480 hours and warranty replaces it with an equivalent unimproved part, I can't afford this! I have enough problems- weather, fertilizer cost, seed cost, cattle issues, labor costs, just to name a few. In closing, No way do I blame Kubota. I blame the politicians not the equipment manufactures. I had a Kubota engineer in Fort Worth, Texas want to follow me home to observe me using my Kubota tractor so he could look for ways to improve their products. That is how much Kubota cares about their customers.

 

[lostcreekranch]

I don't know who's thread you are talking about but I did not buy a JD 5115M nor did I say I did. I said my tractor has 480 hours on it with a several thousand $ problem. My $90,000 tractor will not be under warranty forever. If this problem disables my tractor at 480 hours and warranty replaces it with an equivalent unimproved part, I can't afford this! I have enough problems- weather, fertilizer cost, seed cost, cattle issues, labor costs, just to name a few. In closing, No way do I blame Kubota. I blame the politicians not the equipment manufactures. I had a Kubota engineer in Fort Worth, Texas want to follow me home to observe me using my Kubota tractor so he could look for ways to improve their products. That is how much Kubota cares about their customers.

Sorry, thought you posted that? Mea culpa.

You blame politicians for a problem part on your Tractor?? Which politicians do you blame? Do we need more government sticking their nose into private business.

 

[Code54]

I had a Kubota engineer in Fort Worth, Texas want to follow me home to observe me using my Kubota tractor so he could look for ways to improve their products. That is how much Kubota cares about their customers.

I am glad to hear that, sounds like they want to make the product better. Shame it is a problem but every company makes mistakes and it is how they handle it that matters. We often hear stories here when other companies don't want to fix the problems and try their best to not cover them under warranty.

 

[buickanddeere]

We have Genie Boom manlifts at work with Ford gasser industrial engine . Reliable to the point of being boring. Starts in any weather and runs on gas or LP.
The D@mmed new world order EPA zealots that want to regulate the peasants back to walking for transportation are the problem.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I would suggest maybe looking at doing a full emissions delete once you are close to (or out of)warranty?

 

[BillySunday]

Sorry, thought you posted that? Mea culpa.

You blame politicians for a problem part on your Tractor?? Which politicians do you blame? Do we need more government sticking their nose into private business.

Which politicians do you blame? EPA

Do we need more government sticking their nose into private business? DEF is the government sticking their nose into private business.

The Tier 4 DEF problem is NOT a small issue. It can leave you stranded on the open road, send my tractor to the shop for a month + or- with seed and fertilizer sitting in a barn when it has a small window to be put out, cost thousands of $ in repair bills. All this with a two hour or less time clock notice on your instrument panel that your tractor will shut down. I don't know how much money EPA thinks their is in farming or how much free time they think I have on my hands, or extra tractors I have to takeover when my new tractor has to spend a month at the dealer and still at the dealer. As far as Kubota trying to get out of the warranty coverage-- they said it is covered, but I have not received my tractor back yet. This story is not over.

 

[buickanddeere]

Which politicians do you blame? EPA

Do we need more government sticking their nose into private business? DEF is the government sticking their nose into private business.

The Tier 4 DEF problem is NOT a small issue. It can leave you stranded on the open road, send my tractor to the shop for a month + or- with seed and fertilizer sitting in a barn when it has a small window to be put out, cost thousands of $ in repair bills. All this with a two hour or less time clock notice on your instrument panel that your tractor will shut down. I don't know how much money EPA thinks their is in farming or how much free time they think I have on my hands, or extra tractors I have to takeover when my new tractor has to spend a month at the dealer and still at the dealer. As far as Kubota trying to get out of the warranty coverage-- they said it is covered, but I have not received my tractor back yet. This story is not over.

The EPA had eight years of the C l i n t o n s and eight years of O b a m m y to set what ever rules and regulation they wanted.

 

[BillySunday]

The EPA had eight years of the C l i n t o n s and eight years of O b a m m y to set what ever rules and regulation they wanted.

Thank you buickanddeere for your post. My tractor may be in the shop but I feel better after my rant! Love tractorbynet for giving us a voice and love Kubota for building quality products. Hate the EPA because their only motive is political. Happy New Year to all!!!

 

[buickanddeere]

Thank you buickanddeere for your post. My tractor may be in the shop but I feel better after my rant! Love tractorbynet for giving us a voice and love Kubota for building quality products. Hate the EPA because their only motive is political. Happy New Year to all!!!

Kubota Engine America - Kubota SI Series

 

[buickanddeere]

Gasoline / LPG / Natural Gas[edit]
WG/DF/DG Series[edit]
Unlike most manufacturers that build their gasoline engines and diesel engines based on different platforms, Kubota builds its gasoline/LPG/NG (natural gas) engines based on its diesel engines. The WG/DF/DG engines are solidly based on Kubota's Super Mini Series, Super 05 Series, 03 Series, and V3 Series diesel engines. This makes most of parts are interchangeable between Kubota's gasoline/LPG/NG engines and diesel engines in the equal engine series.

WG752 / DF752[edit]
3-cylinder inline, liquid-cooled (740 cc)
Bore x Stroke = 68 mm x 68 mm
Max Power / RPM = 24.5 hp (LPG = 23.5 hp) / 3,600 RPM
Max Torque / RPM = 5.7 kgm / 2,320 RPM (LPG = 5.4 kgm / 2,400 RPM)
Dry Weight = 61.7 kg
WG972-G / WG972-L / WG972-N[edit]
3-cylinder inline, liquid-cooled (962 cc)
Bore x Stroke = 74.5 mm x 73.6 mm
Max Power / RPM = 32.5 hp (LPG = 29.5 hp; NG = 27.4 hp)/ 3,600 RPM
Max Torque / RPM = 6.9 kgm / 2,500 RPM (LPG = 6.6 kgm / 1,800 RPM; NG = 6.4 kgm / 2,100 RPM)
Dry Weight = 74 kg (LPG/NG = 77 kg)
DG972[edit]
3-cylinder inline, liquid-cooled (962 cc)
Bore x Stroke = 74.5 mm x 73.6 mm
Max Power / RPM = 23.6 hp / 3,600 RPM
Max Torque / RPM = 5.7 kgm / 2,500 RPM
Dry Weight = 72 kg (with rear end plate) / 95.4 kg (with SAE flywheel and housing)
WG1005 / DF1005[edit]
3-cylinder inline, liquid-cooled (996 cc)
Bore x Stroke = 75.8 mm x 73.6 mm
Max Power / RPM = 32.5 hp (LPG = 31 hp) / 3,600 RPM
Max Torque / RPM = 7.14 kgm / 2,160 RPM (LPG = 6.8 kgm / 2,160 RPM)
Dry Weight = 93 kg
WG1605-G / WG1605-L / WG1605-N[edit]
4-cylinder inline, liquid-cooled (1,537 cc)
Bore x Stroke = 79 mm x 78.4 mm
Max Power / RPM = 57 hp (LPG = 55 hp; NG = 51.5 hp) / 3,600 RPM
Max Torque / RPM = 11.98 kgm / 2,450 RPM (LPG = 12.3 kgm / 2,400 RPM; NG = 11.3 kgm / 2,500 RPM)
Dry Weight = 119 kg (LPG/NG = 120 kg)
WG2503-G / WG2503-L / WG2503-N[edit]
4-cylinder inline, liquid-cooled (2,491 cc)
Bore x Stroke = 88 mm x 102.4 mm
Max Power / RPM = 61 hp (LPG = 61.7 hp; NG = 56.9 hp) / 2,700 RPM
Max Torque / RPM = 17.54 kgm / 1,950 RPM (LPG = 18.2 kgm / 1,400 RPM; NG = 16.2 kgm / 1,050 RPM)
Dry Weight = 212 kg
WG3800-G / WG3800-L / WG3800-N[edit]
4-cylinder inline, liquid-cooled (3,769 cc)
Bore x Stroke = 100 mm x 120 mm
Max Power / RPM = 87.2 hp (LPG = 93.9 hp; NG = 87.2 hp) / 2,600 RPM
Max Torque / RPM = 26.4 kgm / 1,400 RPM (LPG = 29.8 kgm / 1,250 RPM; NG = 27.5 kgm / 1,200 RPM)
Dry Weight = 288 kg

 

[some zilch]

i cant imagine why any farmer, and even more-so a homeowner, would want to involve themselves in the unending def/regen problems that plague these things. buy something a few years old and have none of the issues