Single BX FEL Hyd Cyl

[JeepOne]

This is the most knowledgeable tractor site I know of, bar none!! Therefore, I pose the following question.

Is the single center BX FEL hyd cyl as good as one on each side of the bucket? I believe the new subs (JD & Kioti) use two cylinders. It seems to me that the BX FEL would be subject to twisting when digging on the corners. Is this the case or am I over-reacting?

I can't wait to get my hands on the BX (this spring) but I see that one cylinder as a negative. Please convince me that this concern is not justified. Thanx for your replies!!

Ken

 

[Anonymous Poster]

So far haven't noticed a problem, dug mud,gravel and moved 24' long 6x8's and the only thing I hade to remember was to keep weight on the rear. Just have to remind myself its not a monster tractor. If i'm doing real nasty things I barrow the neighbors case crawler or my other cronies 580 back hoe. But it does do things that I shouldn't have it do!

Cheers
Tony

 

[Bird]

<font color=blue>I see that one cylinder as a negative</font color=blue>

I don't. I don't know how they decide whether to use one or two, but look at how many of the really big rigs only use one cylinder in the center. And I don't know what advantages vs. disadvantages one method has over the other, but I've just never seen any reason to be concerned about it, if the one cylinder in the right size and capability.

 

[rdbrumfield]

It is true that the big rigs use one cyl, but if you notice the geometry works so that the cylinder is pushing when curling the bucket back.
My neighbor just bought a Yanmar with a loader with a single cyl for the bucket. What a disaster. the bucket is bent, ripped in the middle and the point where it hooks on the loader is ripped off. I will be welding on it soon and will take some pics. I think that the loader was built by an outfit that get the grey tractors and fits them with these. It looks like a kid in grade school designed it. No grease fittings on the cylinder ends and well, must I go on.
Look it over good, if the bucket is not reinforced where the cyl attaches, and I don't mean a couple of angleirons up the back with a hole for the cyl.
With the 5300 I have I connected the two sides together. It has the quick detach bucket and with tow cyls it would flex when digging with one corner as the cyl on the other side was pulling just as hard as the one digging. Is a lot more ridgid and works well, also keeps the sides aligned when changing tools up front.

 

[PJR]

Hi RD:

I have a 440 loader on my Deere with Qtach. It does seem like it would work better if it were welded.
So how about some pictures.

Thanks PJR

 

[rdbrumfield]

Here you go. The rectangular tubing is 2X4 3/16 wall. Haven't had any problems with this layout.
Something else that may be handy for you, is the short extention, it just locks into place without the aid of bolts or pins. It is probably overkill for most folks, but I like to keep things away from the front of the tractor, and it is handy when I need the extra reach when loadeing the tiller or onother emplement on the back of the truck.

 

[rdbrumfield]

pic

 

[PJR]

Thanks RD

I can see how the tubing ties every thing together. I wonder why Deere did'nt do that.

Now what about the extension that does not bolt or pin? I have front forks is that what you mean?


PJR

 

[PJR]

RD:

I guess I should wait more than 2min to ask another question.

P.S. It still looks sunny, you should only post pictures when it is cloudy, or get a gray back drop, we don't need more people moving here.

Thanks Pat

 

[cpicton1]

JeepOne,

The single cylinder on the BX loader works just fine. I have not had a problem with mine and if there were a problem with them I'm sure there would be a lot of post on TBN about it. Don't let it concern you. The BX is a great little tractor and anyone that buys one should get many years of enjoyment from it. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

 

[rdbrumfield]

The 4' extention just locks into the tubing with one angle iron in front on the bottom and one in back on top, the weight of it keeps it in place. Makes it nice to put on and off, just lift the front by the pulley and off it comes. It attaches to the tubing I put in.

 

[rdbrumfield]

I'm sure that the BX loader is designed for that tractor and works great, I was just venting about a backyard wannabe selling to the unsuspecting.

 

[techman]

Jeepone:

On my BX22 the bucket is great and has taken quite a bit of abuse in it's so-far short life. The bucket is well designed for rigidity, and there is quite a bit of gusseting across the bucket and around the cylinder mount. Remember that the bucket is 48", so the torsional moment against the cylinder is only 24" (half the length). Using 2 cylinders with a properly stiffened structure in this size doesn't buy you much.

If that's your big concern with kubota, go for it.

paul

 

[JeepOne]

Thanx guys! Your replies have calmed my concern. Now to move in my house and start "TRACTORING". It been a long time comin'. I'll let you know when my baby is born....<smilin'> I'm sure I'll be a regular on this site. Take care!!

Ken

 

[Charliebrn]

The single cyl workds great. The bucket is very heavy duty and lots of steel where it counts. I have used mine heavily over the last two years, doing things I probably shouldn't have, and I have no twists or anything. I could see this as being a concern if the construction was lighter, but you'll have no problems with the BX design....

 

[TresCrows]

Actually, I feel the BX FEL is stiffer than the 2410 FEL --for the intended capacity----note exactly what I said. You will find very little flex with the BX FEL. I feel the single center cylinder is a superior design in this size range tractor. It is one of the reasons the BX has such a responsive FEL. I am positive as an owner of both a BX and a 2410 that you are worrying about a non issue and seeing a positive as a negative. J

 

[longway5]

On such a little tractor, I doubt the one cylinder will cause problems. The FEL looks to be very well built, and there is plenty of reinforcement on the bucket. Also, I doubt you would be able to dig into anything with enough force to damage that loader. The BX2200 we have at work was bought only because of its small size for snow plowing in the winter, and we have found that in the summer there are things it just can't do with its limited power. Piles of "loam" (high content of clay) that have sat for years are hard to dig into with the BX, while a larger tractor or backhoe will have no problem. Basically, I'd be worried about the BX loader if the power of the tractor was increased, but the way it is, its a great little tractor, and very well built.

 

[Hoeman00]

2 cylinders will let it twist as much as 1 will.
The 2 cylinder set up is tee'd so excess force isn't
equal, lock one cylinder and other one will do all the
movement.

 

[TresCrows]

Another thing that makes the BX loader so strong for it's size --check it out next time you look at one----notice how much closer the loader side frames are together when compared to a larger B unit. The BX loader arms are very close to the engine cowl which greatly improves visibility and also makes it very stiff. I wish the B2410 had the same loader arrangment. I think we may be seeing some future B series stuff being tried out on th BX. J