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They don't build them like they used to.

A friends then-new 1968 F-100 was stumbling at only 18 k miles. It needed new spark plugs.
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,702  
Not sure what year your truck is, but for a 2014 F150 5.0 the flat rate for spark plug change is 1.5 hours.
Do the math 1.5 x 150 = $225 + parts
2014, and I wouldn’t have a problem with $225. $700 sounded like Highway robbery to me.
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,704  
If I'm reading the spark plug thing right, I don't get it. How can a major manufacturer that has built cars for 120 years and sold what, a hundred million, still build things that snap spark plugs on removal?
Those brilliant engineers must design the things to work according to how the even more brilliant designer designed it! It is amazing to me, some of the engineering we see. Some good, some not so much!
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,705  
By then they likely had already set the timing at least once, if not replaced the points.
How old did you say you were?
That was normal back then.
Plugs about every 10-12000 miles.
Take them out and clean and gap them between.
Points every 10000 miles which required the timing to be checked and adjusted.
Carbs needed attention regularly.
When people tell you that the old cars were better, DON"T believe them.
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,706  
It's not always the removal that's the problem. If a plug breaks when trying to get it out is far better than them shooting out on their own and damaging the hood.

Either way, the real fight is getting the remains out.
I worked on a Ford Friday. Guy drives in, says it isn't running so hot. I hear the loud puff, puff, puff, I say, it sounds like your spark plug is missing. Look under the hood, #7 coil boot is laying on the manifold, coil still fastened to the intake. The screw holding the coil is directly under the fuel pressure regulator, making it a real pain to access. Finally get the coil out, find the spark plug, laying loose in the hole, threads in the head stripped out, either a heli coil or a good cylinder head time. Not a cheap job, but I didn't want to do it, so he took it someplace else I guess. I just work on the easier jobs now, too close to retiring to sweat too much!
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,707  
How old did you say you were?
That was normal back then.
Plugs about every 10-12000 miles.
Take them out and clean and gap them between.
Points every 10000 miles which required the timing to be checked and adjusted.
Carbs needed attention regularly.
When people tell you that the old cars were better, DON"T believe them.
I totally agree, the old cars were typically much harder to work on. I have been turning wrenches since the early 70s. The older vehicles generally had more room to work in, but for some reason, the designs were just more difficult to work with. The cars in the late 70s and early 80s I think were the worst. The common place adoption of fuel injection made things much better. Got rid of yards of vacuum hose! I sometimes think the newer cars are getting worse again, but still better than the old carbureted cars!
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,708  
I totally agree, the old cars were typically much harder to work on. I have been turning wrenches since the early 70s. The older vehicles generally had more room to work in, but for some reason, the designs were just more difficult to work with. The cars in the late 70s and early 80s I think were the worst. The common place adoption of fuel injection made things much better. Got rid of yards of vacuum hose! I sometimes think the newer cars are getting worse again, but still better than the old carbureted cars!
Totally agreed. The worst cars I have worked on have all been late-70's and early-80's. Much of the poor engineering and reliability of older cars, combined with the ridiculously-complicated emissions add-ons that automakers were struggling to engineer to meet then-new requirements. Things got so much better and simpler by the mid-1990's, and reliability is so vastly improved today.

What people remember more fondly is not that old cars didn't break, they broke all the time. It's that when they did break, they were easier to repair in your own driveway, without proprietary parts and diagnostic tools. Of course, the easiest repair of all, is the one you never need to make.
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,709  
Plugs about every 10-12000 miles.
Take them out and clean and gap them between.
Points every 10000 miles which required the timing to be checked and adjusted.
Carbs needed attention regularly.
When people tell you that the old cars were better, DON"T believe them.
All of which could be accomplished with ease, along the side of the road if need be, using very basic tools, and without the need for any scanners or computers.
I totally agree, the old cars were typically much harder to work on.
And I respectfully disagree. No mix of SAE and metric fasteners, for example. Also, simpler and easier to fake parts. Heck, you could keep driving with one of three fan belts still functional as only the water pump was really necessary.

One example that comes to mind is when a carb took a complete dump on a 10-mile long trail. It took a few tries, but we found the perfect size "metering rock" to stick into the fuel hose and make the fuel flow into the engine right to keep it at the desired rpm.

Later we discussed how tall of a mast would be needed to create enough pressure to keep EFI working. Not as simple as putting a can on the cowl if a normal fuel pump went out. As I recall, it would be some 60 feet tall - not practical on a rock trail in the pines.

I could keep adding to the list, but I'm sure you get the gist of it.
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,710  
How old did you say you were?
That was normal back then.
Plugs about every 10-12000 miles.
Take them out and clean and gap them between.
Points every 10000 miles which required the timing to be checked and adjusted.
Carbs needed attention regularly.
When people tell you that the old cars were better, DON"T believe them.
I understand this. Oil changes every 3000 miles, although at one time they recommended you only change the oil filter every other time. Valve guides at 60k or so, by then you would have changed belts at least once and probably also the starter and alternator.
In 1977 my father bought a 1974 Torino with 80k highway miles. Everybody marveled at how good it ran and that the body on that 3 year old car wasn't rusted out.
100,000 miles used to be high mileage; now it's barely broken in.
 
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All of which could be accomplished with ease, along the side of the road if need be, using very basic tools, and without the need for any scanners or computers.
Good thing, too... since the general reliability of those older cars sometimes required it! :ROFLMAO:
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,713  
How old did you say you were?
That was normal back then.
Plugs about every 10-12000 miles.
Take them out and clean and gap them between.
Points every 10000 miles which required the timing to be checked and adjusted.
Carbs needed attention regularly.
When people tell you that the old cars were better, DON"T believe them.

I’m a contractor and when someone tells you old houses were built better don’t believe them either. There was absolutely zero code enforcement, permits or licenses for workers required in my area back then. How anyone thinks a product built by literally anyone with zero quality checks is better is beyond me. I don’t necessarily agree with government overreach but permits, inspections and licenses do bring work quality up. Anyone that disagrees is free to go to a shed in Mexico for open heart surgery. Old appliances definitely were built better. Electronic control boards as well as planned obsolescence have trashed modern appliances.
 
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I’m a contractor and when someone tells you old houses were built better don’t believe them either. There was absolutely zero code enforcement, permits or licenses for workers required in my area back then. I don’t necessarily agree with governments overreach but permits and licenses do bring work quality up. Anyone that disagrees is free to go to a shed in Mexico for open heart surgery. Old appliances definitely were built better. Electronic control boards as well as planned obsolescence have trashed modern appliances.
Great post. The old houses we see today give a skewed presentation, because at least in this relatively old corner of the country, they're the few exceptional examples left standing. I'm presently sitting and typing in the 1775 addition to a 1734 house, and it is very well built, but the dozens of other neighboring homes have been either disassembled, knocked down, rotted out, or burned to the ground. The "common man's house" of the 1770's is nothing you'd want to live in today.

Even having said that, a mason who was here doing a big project two years ago was laughing at some of our stone work and telling me that if one of his guys had laid up our 1775 gable wall, he'd make them disassemble it and do it over. :D

Also agreed on appliances, the old ones lasted forever. But on the flip side, few want to keep a 40 year old range or refrigerator, when features and styles change more quickly than that. I'd be happy with a 20 year Fridge though, I've gotten 2 - 6 years each, out of the last three kitchen refrigerators.
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,715  
Great post. The old houses we see today give a skewed presentation, because at least in this relatively old corner of the country, they're the few exceptional examples left standing. I'm presently sitting and typing in the 1775 addition to a 1734 house, and it is very well built, but the dozens of other neighboring homes have been either disassembled, knocked down, rotted out, or burned to the ground. The "common man's house" of the 1770's is nothing you'd want to live in today.

Even having said that, a mason who was here doing a big project two years ago was laughing at some of our stone work and telling me that if one of his guys had laid up our 1775 gable wall, he'd make them disassemble it and do it over.

Also agreed on appliances, the old ones lasted forever. But on the flip side, few want to keep a 40 year old range or refrigerator, when features and styles change more quickly than that. I'd be happy with a 20 year Fridge though, I've gotten 2 - 6 years each, out of the last three kitchen refrigerators.

My area is much newer than that. The court house is likely the oldest building in the area built in 1905. They had a federally backed program in the 1930s to build “homestead” houses. Those houses are held in pretty high regards today for “historic” value but you’d have your license stripped and the structure condemned if you tried to build the same thing today. Even in the 70s and 80s there was a lot of shoddy buildings going on. They didn’t start code enforcement outside the city limits here until 2012 or so. Some bordering county’s still don’t do it.
 
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The first house I lived in came with the property when my great grandfather bought it in the mid 1800s. No idea how old it was but it likely predated the country; it was sheathed with wide pine boards, but none over 23". All pine 24" and up were property of the King, and using wider boards was pretty damning evidence.
Some of the floor beams were round poles, with the bark still on them.
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,717  
Good thing, too... since the general reliability of those older cars sometimes required it! :ROFLMAO:
Call them unreliable if you want, but the point was that they were easy to fix.

Although, that may be a moot point these days, when people get on their cell phone and call 911 if their wipers won't turn off, or get a flat tire,
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,718  
If I'm reading the spark plug thing right, I don't get it. How can a major manufacturer that has built cars for 120 years and sold what, a hundred million, still build things that snap spark plugs on removal?
Some engineer figured out how to save $0.50/plug by using one with less threads and only tapping 3 threads into the block and it passed the computer failure analysis program.

Aaron Z
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,719  
n people get on their cell phone and call 911 if their wipers won't turn off, or get a flat tire,
I can't remember when the last time was that I changed a tire on the side of the road and I drive a lot worse roads at a lot higher speeds than most do. I did change a slow leak in my door yard two summers ago. About the time I have a flat it's usually because I need new tires.

Edit; I changed one last summer after picking up something in the road.
 
/ Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong #19,720  
I can't remember when the last time was that I changed a tire, and I drive a lot worse roads at a lot higher speeds than most do.
I really can't, either. And if I did get a flat tire I'd use the plug kit before switching to the spare.

Still, replacing a tire and wheel is still fully doable just like it used to be.

By the way, whats your average speed?
 

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