Seriously...TPMS?

[GManBart]

Doen't matter if it's the same wheel base or not.. You made the broad statement that vehicles are getting heavier... You didn't say they have to be the same wheel base, tire size, 5 lug nuts vs 4, 15 gal fuel tank vs 20. etc, etc, YOU SAID "Vehicles Are Heavier... Broad statement that you can't back up

You've listed a few vehicles that have gotten smaller physically, and weigh less.

I've listed a pile of vehicles that have stayed the same size, and gotten heavier.

See how that works? Cars that haven't changed size got heavier. Game, set, match, nothing more to be debated. You simply can't argue that on any logical basis....you have to compare apples-to-oranges to attempt some sort of a argument.

Regardless of any specific make, or model, cars are heavier for any given size today than they have been in the past....that also isn't a debatable topic if any sort of logic is followed.

But hey, it was fun watching you give it a go! :thumbsup:

 

[GManBart]

Where do you come up with this stuff. Cars are heavier today than they were 30 yrs ago ??? Really ???? Auto makers aren't getting the fuel mileage they are getting out of these autos by building them heavier. around 30 yrs ago the imports were getting better gas mileage than us made vehicles . You know why ???? Smaller engines smaller vehicles that were lighter in weight. There's not a lot of magic in getting fuel mileage... Loose weight !!!! All vehicles today are made out of lighter weight material than they were 30 yrs ago.. that's a fact !!!.

Just a reminder, I said 30 years ago compared to today, right? Proof you don't know what you're talking about....

Average car weight in 1983 was 3,112lbs.

Average car weight in 2012 was 3,977lbs.

They haven't released model year 2013 data yet, but have said it will likely increase.

Vehicle Technologies Office: Fact #475: June 25, 2007 Light Vehicle Weight on the Rise

Green Car Congress: EPA trends report sees record levels of average new vehicle fuel economy and CO2 emissions for MY 2012; role of new gasoline vehicle technologies

Again, "cars have gotten heavier" is factual....regardless of your opinions, or oddball examples.

 

[MikePA]

I thought it was over, but, alas, it was only a 4 hour respite. I wrote the following in a post over 4 years ago. Change 'trucks' to TPMS'. Some things don't change.

I think it was a Star Trek episode. Kirk and Spock were taken hostage by aliens (what else is new?). They awoke in an old Roman gladiator ring (you do like gladiator movies, don't you?). Of course, the aliens were dressed in togas, the emporer was in his box seats and immediately ordered Spock and Kirk to start, well, gladiating. Spock, being the stronger Vulcan, beat up Kirk. However, they didn't die, rather they were magically healed and the next day the process started all over again.

Of course, this was science fiction but it's a lot like almost every truck thread on TBN. While Spock and Kirk aren't in these truck threads, every thread has the same cast of combatants and the plot is always the same.

1. Someone starts a thread about something dealing with trucks. Engines, transmissions, oil, horsepower, reliability, it really doesn't matter. Often it's not one of cast of characters who starts the thread. Just some innocent TBNer who wandered into the Truck Colliseum.
2. This triggers the cast of characters to be awakened from suspended animation.
3. One member of the cast says, "White".
4. Another member of the cast says, "Black".
5. Soon we're up to 10 pages of messages, each containing lots of quotes from other cast members in a futile attempt to convince the others. If it's a real special episode of Truck Gladiators, there will be links to competing 'facts'.
6. As the thread approaches 15 or 16 pages, each cast member notifies the Gladiator Referees of a supposed breach of the rules.
7. Soon thereafter the Gladiator Referees give the whole performance a thumbs down and the sad episode comes to an end.

But never fear, after a brief respite, just like Spock and Kirk, up starts another thread and like locusts, the same cast of characters rises again to do battle. Unlike Spock and Kirk, who eventually recognized the utter futility of what they were doing, TBN Truck Gladiators never recognize the futility. Sad, isn't it?

Thread closed.