Rtv Range Select

[FL_Cracker]

Don't forget to try putting your foot on the brake and give the it just a little throttle and then put the unit out of gear. When I say a little throttle I mean a little, you may not even hear the engine RPM pick up.

If none of that works then you must have an adjustment problem.

 

[bczoom]

whoodle,

I'd like to see if we can truely identify which setup you have on the speed control assembly.

It sounds like you may not have it based on:
- Jippy's post about when the new speed lever assembly was installed (start with 24092) and your SN being 22892, it sounds like you have the old setup.
- Your post in "Abrupt stop on RTV" stating "I drove two rtvs in the last three weeks at two different dealers, Both stopped abruptly". Are one of these the one you got?

But... It sounds like you may have it from your post in this thread "and I suspect it probably has the new speed deal because the pedal cushions back out, and there is some glide in the higher gears."

The best way I can think of to confirm which way you have it is to get the height of the assembly (if I recall correctly, the new one is about 1" taller than the old version) and check the position of the rear linkage. For the height, looking at the tranny from the passenger side, look for what's in this picture. Speed control Assy On the left side of the pic, you can see a vertical bar (it'll have a bunch of linkages connected to it. What's the total height?

I don't have a pic of the rearward linkage but the mounting of it was reversed for the new speed control assy. There is a linkage that connects to the top of this vertical bar and extends toward the rear of the machine. It's probably close to 1' long. Where it attaches in the rear, is it mounted over the connecting bracket or below it?

I agree with Messick (and others) that any pressure on the tranny when stopped will cause difficulty shifting. Using the emergency brake, FL Cracker and Dargo's suggestions should help remove the pressure.

Another thing I found very beneficial is to not have it in 4WD when you need to shift on a hill. I too am in a very hilly area and get around fine in 2WD when on relatively hard packed surfaces.

If you have the new speed control assembly and none of the aforementioned tips are correcting your issue, as the first course of action, I would pursue having the dealer come out and address the issue. Like Messick said, it may just be a change to the damper.

Brian

 

[whoodle]

I delayed the fluid change on all your advice, but I did take it for an hour long ride along established atv trails. I did not have to do much shifting, but what shifting was done was moderately acceptable. As far as I can see, the difference was that the terrain was a lot less steep, I was in 2wd more, and no load. I wonder if my terrain is just too rugged. Brian, I printed your post and I'm going to try to decipher.

 

[bczoom]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( As far as I can see, the difference was that the terrain was a lot less steep, I was in 2wd more, and no load. I wonder if my terrain is just too rugged. Brian, I printed your post and I'm going to try to decipher. )</font>

John,

Keep playing around with things (2wd vs. 4wd, emergency brake, stopping and shifting on various terrains...). See what you can find.
Emergency brake fixed the issue for most everyone. Come to a complete stop, give the emergency brake a good yank (you'll want pressure on it) then try to shift. I'm in a very hilly terrain and mine won't even think about shifting on a hill without the emergency brake on.

Sorry my previous post seemed cryptic and requires decipher. Just trying to narrow down which version of the speed control you have so we can better address the issue. Respond if something doesn't make sense.

If you can take and post pics of the assembly and rearward linkages, we may be able to tell from the pics themselves. (Like in the link I provided, you can see that the detent doesn't rest correctly on the neutral block. If yours is like this, it may be an issue).

Brian

 

[whoodle]

Your description and picture are quite good. The height of that mechanism is 5 inches and the linkage connects above the bracket. The detent on the mechanism does line up with dthe bearing. I think it is the old version. One of the other ser. numbers I drove was 17328.
I can't quite see how one could say that you can't have the tranny under pressure. This is basically and atv, which means that by default one would arrive in compromising positions on a regular basis. How much force on the shifter do you folks think constitutes normal? Why do you think there is no forward and reverse pedal like on hydro cuts?

 

[bczoom]

I checked mine tonight. 5 1/8 inches, connected to above the bracket. Sounds like you have the old style.

Please continue to drive under varying conditions and try all the recommendations all have mentioned.

Don't worry... If we got through Dargo's, we'll get through yours!!! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

[whoodle]

Thanks, I'll post some more when things dry out and I can get back out on the trails.

 

[FL_Cracker]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I wonder if my terrain is just too rugged )</font>

I don't think it is a too rugged problem. I had mine in a drainage ditch today and it was really steep. Some times only 2 or 3 wheels on the ground and it shifted fine. It's got to be a problem with the adjustments or tranny.

Talk to your dealer...

 

[whoodle]

Thanks Fl, I have got to think you are right. the machine is just so awsome that it doesn't seem possible that it could have such a black eye.

 

[whoodle]

I did a small bit of investigation with my 2 year old and wife. Lately, it doesn't seem to matter whether I'm on a hill or not. If it won't shift out of reverse, it takes some forcing. So I had my helpers work the gears with the engine off, and I observed the gears and hang ups. First, that is some complicated cabling. I would think there could be a more reliable(less mechanical) method.
There seem to be four conditions. 1.If it will go into reverse, it won't go into low without some pushing forward and back. 2.If it will go into low, it does't want to go into reverse.3. If things are just right the shifter can be move to all positions.4. usually if it will go into low it will go into med and high also.
When driving the problem manifests itself a not getting out of gear, but rocking back an forth doesn't help when the engine is on. Getting into gear is always possible because the gears can be aligned with the speed control.
Dargo, I think it was was you who mentioned rocking out of a muddy field. I can't even imagine rocking out of anywhere because it would take me so long to shift each time.

 

[Rick_Taylor]

This was passed along to me from my dealer, Zimmerer Kubota. When changing gears, be a little patient and wait 5 seconds after lifting your foot from the pedal. You'll find the lever moves out of gear easily. As long as the machine is not moving it will slip into any new gear. I had doubts but one try was a convincer, it does work. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[whoodle]

I usually count slowly to seven before switching, tonight, however it seemed to be a bit better. I'm hoping it is breaking in.

 

[kabootie]

i just had mt 50 hour service done had the dealer put the super udt fluid in the tranny hoping it would help the gear shifter come out of gear better on hills "not any better at all" and also ask them about the drive shaft rattle the guy said he called kubota and thay told him it was back to square one on this problem.they would let me know on any update on it

 

[bczoom]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( i just had mt 50 hour service done had the dealer put the super udt fluid in the tranny hoping it would help the gear shifter come out of gear better on hills "not any better at all" )</font>

kabootie,

Your shifter on the dash is coming out of gear??? Under what conditions? That definitely sounds like a linkage issue and not something inside the tranny.

Brian

 

[kabootie]

you misunderstood me it will not come out of gear on a hill unless you turn the motor off

 

[bczoom]

Oops, my bad.

Have you tried the emergency brake fix?

When on a hill and stopped:
Apply the emer. brake good and hard.
It should then shift out of gear.

Do you have the new style speed control assembly (where the RTV doesn't stop very abruptly when you let off the pedal)? If so, you'll need to add a 5-10 second delay after applying the emer. brake before attempting to shift.

 

[Tact]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( i just had mt 50 hour service done had the dealer put the super udt fluid in the tranny hoping it would help the gear shifter come out of gear better on hills "not any better at all" and also ask them about the drive shaft rattle the guy said he called kubota and thay told him it was back to square one on this problem.they would let me know on any update on it )</font>
Are you stating that they are back to square one since the new design fix which is out now? If that's true it would be very disappointing.

 

[Dargo]

kabootie, I seem to have been one of the first guys to have this not being able to shift on a hill issue. Somewhere there is a thread on it here that is likely a year old. I could literally have broken the gear selecter lever off and not have gotten it out of gear. My only choice was to shut it off.

On that issue, not a lot has changed. I now need to adjust my emergency brake, I've stretched the cable from using it to try to help the shifting, and the emergency brake adjustment looks like it will require me to remove one of the side panels. Personally, I've given up on being able to shift on a hill unless I either wait for several seconds (which I don't like to do - I still consider this a design flaw), or shut off the engine (again, I consider this a design flaw).

Now, I'm waiting and wondering about this front drive shaft rattle. I'm beyond disappointed in my dealer. He told me for months that there is no problem; so no fix. Now I'm out of warranty, since I waited for him. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Although I think the RTV is a heck of a UV, I'm very disappointed in Kubota. In well over a year now they cannot get the RTV's to shift properly, cannot fix the front drive shaft rattle, and have never been able to provide any gauges that don't fog over in about 1/2 an hour. There is one guy at Kubota who has tried to be helpful and has been able to provide me with several sets of gauges, but they all fog over. I have the RTV, so I suppose I'll try to deal with it. Unfortunately, I will now say that, if given the chance again, I would not buy the Kubota RTV. I've since bought a Yamaha Rhino that gets twice the use, and twice the abuse. It has never had to go to the dealer, and has never had a problem.

Sorry to sound so down on Kubota, but I feel that customer satisfaction has taken a back seat to production and profit. I think Kubota will never address the issues until sales drop because of them. I've had basically zero dealer support, and my dealer has acted like I am the only person in the country with the problems I've listed. That tells me that I either have a very uninformed dealer, or a liar. Neither is good.

 

[Ricochet]

I'm afraid the gear selection when stopping on hills is inherent with a HST style T/M (nature of the beast so to speak...I'm not sure if there is a design fix for it), the driveshaft rattle problem is being addressed (there was a fix but after testing found it caused a durability issue so it was cancelled till further notice) and I don't know what to say about those gauges (they should not fog up now)...they need to be looked at again I reckon.

 

[kabootie]

you no you are absolutly right my dealer gave me a look of surprize when i ask about the drive shaft rattle then started back peddleing when i picked it up a few days later but he informed me that if and when kubota come up with a fix it did not matter if the warrenty was out thay would fix it. and about the gear shift coming out of gear on a hill a read on a post somewhere here that if you use super udt fluid it would help it but it did not help at all the only thing i can tell is it has a little more pep on acceleration like i can climb a hill better in a higher gear than before i quest its the new fluid and filters