My Hoe
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Excellent suggestion.
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Excellent suggestion.
North West Farmer
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Jcgaylord,
I quickly checked over the thread entries and was glad to see you have confirmed the problem comes back to the sender unit and that is the sole and only source of the rust that has been contaminating you fuel.
MY concern after looking over the thread was that the apparent solution is to monitor your fuel condition via opening the primary fuel filter in an ongoing manner, probably eventually figuring out how often this problem occures and then replace sending units is the fix.
I believe you confirmed that you utilize one source for your fuel. The corrision of the sender appears to be directlyrelated to the fuel the unit is exposed to. The ultimate solution(s) would seem to be either finding a fuel that does not decompose the sending unit or the manufacturer needs to change the compostion of the sending units to prevent damage due to fuel exposure.
You will make the final decision as to which route you well take or possibly the solution is to change out the sending unit at regular intervals before decomposition results in flacking off rust into the tank. My feelings tend toward making sure the manufacturer is aware of the problem and encouraging them to improve the composition of the sending unit to prevent the problem. If it turns out you are the only owner experiencing this problem, then the fuel supplier would jump right into the front row of places to go to solve the problem.
At any rate, good luck in your efferts to find the ultimate solution in this quite strange fuel system malfunction situation.
Nick, North West Farmer
I quickly checked over the thread entries and was glad to see you have confirmed the problem comes back to the sender unit and that is the sole and only source of the rust that has been contaminating you fuel.
MY concern after looking over the thread was that the apparent solution is to monitor your fuel condition via opening the primary fuel filter in an ongoing manner, probably eventually figuring out how often this problem occures and then replace sending units is the fix.
I believe you confirmed that you utilize one source for your fuel. The corrision of the sender appears to be directlyrelated to the fuel the unit is exposed to. The ultimate solution(s) would seem to be either finding a fuel that does not decompose the sending unit or the manufacturer needs to change the compostion of the sending units to prevent damage due to fuel exposure.
You will make the final decision as to which route you well take or possibly the solution is to change out the sending unit at regular intervals before decomposition results in flacking off rust into the tank. My feelings tend toward making sure the manufacturer is aware of the problem and encouraging them to improve the composition of the sending unit to prevent the problem. If it turns out you are the only owner experiencing this problem, then the fuel supplier would jump right into the front row of places to go to solve the problem.
At any rate, good luck in your efferts to find the ultimate solution in this quite strange fuel system malfunction situation.
Nick, North West Farmer
don white
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I bet this problem has something to do with the fuel additive. Even so I would not replace the sending unit. I would just make a cover out of stainless and be done with it. Ya can live with out a fuel gauge.
Yeah I never figured out why the fuel gauge is so huge! I'd much rather have an analog tach there...and really don't even need a fuel gauge, just unscrew the cap and look in...these things use so little fuel it takes a lot of running to be out...
4Rook
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There has to be a better explanation than the fuel type or fuel level. The corrosion is so severe! Something appears to be driving that aggressive corrosion. I have exposed steel parts on my truck that have corroded less. I'm thinking its galvanic corrosion. Perhaps a bad mix of metals or improper corrosion resistant material when the unit was made?
North West Farmer
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jcgaylord,
Have you checked with the manufacturer to determine if any other units have had problems that were anything at all similar to your experience?
I would be very interested to find out if this is a common problem or if your situation is unique.
The concept of just simply removing the sending unit and looking in the tank now and then to check the fuel level is hard to beat. You guys came up with a good practical solution for a possibly complex problem with that solution.
Nick, North West Farmer
Have you checked with the manufacturer to determine if any other units have had problems that were anything at all similar to your experience?
I would be very interested to find out if this is a common problem or if your situation is unique.
The concept of just simply removing the sending unit and looking in the tank now and then to check the fuel level is hard to beat. You guys came up with a good practical solution for a possibly complex problem with that solution.
Nick, North West Farmer
David_Kb7uns
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What gets me is how people complain how inaccurate the gauge gets at the bottom part of the tank. The small Bx tractors and the Garden tractors just has a warning light so what do you do there??
It is not a problem here since every day the tractor is used the tank is topped off at the end of the day unless it is pouring rain. This is done to keep the air space down so condensation does not happen.
David Kb7uns
It is not a problem here since every day the tractor is used the tank is topped off at the end of the day unless it is pouring rain. This is done to keep the air space down so condensation does not happen.
David Kb7uns
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JCGAYLORD,
I read your post as my BX24 has been running rough and fuel gauge quit working last Fall. I have had to blowback to the tank four weeks ago for no flow condition after tank ran low on fuel. Today I was changing oil and filters and upgrading to SUDT fluid when I noticed dark spots on fuel filter while changing it. Cut it open and got a magnet. Metalic corrosion dust!
Always garaged and never had a water problem. Buy my fuel only from a major independent supplier that we used to buy our test fuel at GM from (Spencer Fuels). Looks like the same problem you had. I am ready to remove and seal the tank sending unit openning off like Don White suggested.
Just rolled 400 hrs and that filter was replaced for rough running less than 20 hours ago. Plan to call Dealer on Monday and see what they think and have to say.
I read your post as my BX24 has been running rough and fuel gauge quit working last Fall. I have had to blowback to the tank four weeks ago for no flow condition after tank ran low on fuel. Today I was changing oil and filters and upgrading to SUDT fluid when I noticed dark spots on fuel filter while changing it. Cut it open and got a magnet. Metalic corrosion dust!
Always garaged and never had a water problem. Buy my fuel only from a major independent supplier that we used to buy our test fuel at GM from (Spencer Fuels). Looks like the same problem you had. I am ready to remove and seal the tank sending unit openning off like Don White suggested.
Just rolled 400 hrs and that filter was replaced for rough running less than 20 hours ago. Plan to call Dealer on Monday and see what they think and have to say.
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To All: is it just me said:
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It all came with cost cutting, head counts and a bigger bottom line. Seems like everyone had to start accounting for their time to different charge accounts rather than be a part of a team with "X-$'s" overhead. Every new manager needed to cut that to look good etc. In 2009 GM had a big head count reduction and plant closings before having to ask for a hand out only to be profitable in a couple years. Makes me wonder what 2012-13's car problems will be from R&D hit in 2009/10. 12/2009 was my 30 years in forced retirement.
Cant say if other countries were following the same challange.