Rollover paranoia

   / Rollover paranoia #61  
The guy over at Goodworks Tractors promotes and sells some nice wheel spacers, which might suit you. They lower your load rating a bit, by putting more torque on the axle flange and bearings, but that tradeoff may be worth it for folks dealing with a lot of side slope.
 
   / Rollover paranoia #62  
I'm a new tractor owner, and have only had it a couple of weeks. I've bladed our road twice, once when we first got the tractor, and the second time after over 2" of rain during part of a day. To my surprise only one section of the road was damaged. In the past several places were damaged.

Here in a couple of weeks I'll be brush-hogging our fields for the very first time with our tractor.

I have loaded tires, and the brush hog is about 850 pounds.

Does that brush hog count for ballast weight? Should I add more weight? There are a couple of slopes here and there, but as far as I recall when we hired it done they rolled right along with no issues of backing up any slopes. The last time was with a kioti 25hp unit, maybe loaded tires, no other weights on it.

I am brand new to this.
 
   / Rollover paranoia #63  
Mowing looks really good when it's done, and I've been doing it for years. I'm just not getting used to the angle, or the fear that it's going to roll on me. I think widening the tires will make it more stable, and hopefully, less uncomfortable

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That's getting into the really unomfortable zone.
 
   / Rollover paranoia #64  
Mowing looks really good when it's done, and I've been doing it for years. I'm just not getting used to the angle, or the fear that it's going to roll on me. I think widening the tires will make it more stable, and hopefully, less uncomfortable

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Get a 20’ or larger bush hog and the tractor can stay farther away from the uncomfortable zone. 😜
 
   / Rollover paranoia #65  
Does that brush hog count for ballast weight?
Yes, it does! Moreover, because the center of mass is so far behind the rear axle, its effect is amplified. So, if counterbalancing the FEL on flat ground, the 850 lb. of that brush hog might have similar counterbalancing effect to 1200 lb. in a ballast box tucked up tight to the 3-point.

However, with that offset length also comes additional peril, as it can be more prone to causing the tractor to go wheelie, or other counterintuitive side roll when climbing a hill at an angle. So, do be careful when using anything so far aft of the axle as counterbalance on hills or when swinging fast turns.

Should I add more weight?
Impossible call from here. Consult your manual. You may choose to use a multiplier on the weight of the brush hog that's equivalent to brush hog center of mass (eg. 6 ft. from rear axle) relative to ballast box center of mass (eg. 4 feet from rear axle).

Many here use implements for ballast, a box blade maybe being the most common, as they're heavy and don't stick out very far. Carrying it low helps maximize stability, and prevent walk-over if it ever does cause you to go wheelie. I prefer ballast boxes, because I'm often operating in tight quarters, and they're very compact.
 
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   / Rollover paranoia #66  
Yes, it does! Moreover, because the center of mass is so far behind the rear axle, its effect is amplified. So, if counterbalancing the FEL on flat ground, the 850 lb. of that brush hog might have similar counterbalancing effect to 1200 lb. in a ballast box tucked up tight to the 3-point.

However, with that offset length also comes additional peril, as it can be more prone to causing the tractor to go wheelie, or other counterintuitive side roll when climbing a hill at an angle. So, do be careful when using anything so far aft of the axle as counterbalance on hills or when swinging fast turns.


Impossible call from here. Consult your manual. You may choose to use a multiplier on the weight of the brush hog that's equivalent to brush hog center of mass (eg. 36 inches from pintels) relative to ballast box center of mass (eg. 10" from pintels), and then perhaps half that multiplier for safety margin.

Many here use implements for ballast, a box blade maybe being the most common, as they're heavy and don't stick out very far. Carrying it low helps maximize stability, and prevent walk-over if it ever does cause you to go wheelie. I prefer ballast boxes, because I'm often operating in tight quarters, and they're very compact.
Thanks for the post. The info you've given on the advantages/disadvantages of the weight of the brush hog makes me feel more confident.
 
   / Rollover paranoia #67  
Good! But I just realized I entered an error in the prior post. The distances used to multiply the effect would not be implement center of mass to pintels, but implement center of mass to rear axle. I'll go fix the prior post now.
 
   / Rollover paranoia #68  
Mowing looks really good when it's done, and I've been doing it for years. I'm just not getting used to the angle, or the fear that it's going to roll on me. I think widening the tires will make it more stable, and hopefully, less uncomfortable

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That looks like a butt pucker situation to me, especially when the downhill side is water. I think I would find a different solution.
 
   / Rollover paranoia #69  
When I mow around my pond, I basically do a herringbone pattern - drive forward a bit, back in towards the pond diagonally, repeat a zillion times
yes i only do this once a year lol
 
   / Rollover paranoia #70  
That looks like a butt pucker situation to me, especially when the downhill side is water. I think I would find a different solution.
Those who've been to eastern PA know our roads have zero shoulders, the white line of the lane you're driving is as often half on the grass as it is fully on asphalt, and grass and shrubbery growing out of the roadside drainage ditches is often encroaching onto the roadway.

Our townships can never keep up fully, but what they use to keep this grass and vegetation as clear as possible is a sickle bar mower that sticks way off the side of their tractors, so they can keep the tractor fully on the road while mowing roadside grass and shrubs. Something like this:

 

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