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/ Rear Remote Mounting Opinions #21  
I think that it is a great idea to get the hoe off of the tractor. This will give you a whole new perspective of using this stuff. Keep in mind that the female QDs provided work with the sleeve being pushed or pulled for coupling. Very common to have angled fittings on the hoses for easier connections.
 
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#22  
I think that it is a great idea to get the hoe off of the tractor. This will give you a whole new perspective of using this stuff. Keep in mind that the female QDs provided work with the sleeve being pushed or pulled for coupling. Very common to have angled fittings on the hoses for easier connections.

Brian,

I've been hesitating pulling the hoe until I had a good idea of where the valve was going. I'm not worried about the QD's and the hoe too much, although I might eventually use the motor spool valve with the hoe on to power an auger I have.

I think the valve is going to wind up where I show it in my first position. It's about as good as it gets.

Unless...

I know you've been hesitant of this, but is there anyway to put the QD's right on the valve like Kubota does? Then I could mount the parallel to the seat in a similar spot to where Kubota has those 3 slots. The QD's would have to be elbowed for the first row and maybe straight up for the 2nd row? Or maybe a long elbow?

What do you think?

ac
 
/ Rear Remote Mounting Opinions #23  
I know you've been hesitant of this, but is there anyway to put the QD's right on the valve like Kubota does? Then I could mount the parallel to the seat in a similar spot to where Kubota has those 3 slots. The QD's would have to be elbowed for the first row and maybe straight up for the 2nd row? Or maybe a long elbow?
How about 4 hoses for the first 2 rows (with 45s or 90s on them) and mount them someplace a little more convenient (perhaps directly below the 3rd and 4th rows)?
Can you take a picture from the back sort of like your first picture (at the beginning of the thread) but with the flip up footguard out of the way?

Aaron Z
 
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#24  
How about 4 hoses for the first 2 rows (with 45s or 90s on them) and mount them someplace a little more convenient (perhaps directly below the 3rd and 4th rows)?
Can you take a picture from the back sort of like your first picture (at the beginning of the thread) but with the flip up footguard out of the way?

Aaron Z

Aaron,

You might be on to something there! Check out the pics I posted on page 2 with the 8 QDs mocked up. If that got knocked down to 4 QDs mounted in that location (behind/below the flip up foot guard) and the other 2 mounted at the valves or somewhere else that might actually be pretty reasonable.

I could put the TNT connections (2 valves with float) down in that location as those are my most likely to be used remotes and that would put them right where the action is.

With the hoe mounted I don't think I'll be using these valves much. One of the valves is a motor spool valve. I have dreams of running that valve to feed an auger mounted to the backhoe. So that QD needs to remain accessible with the hoe on.

The 4th valve, no plans as of now...it was a "might as well".

ac
 
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#25  
How about 4 hoses for the first 2 rows (with 45s or 90s on them) and mount them someplace a little more convenient (perhaps directly below the 3rd and 4th rows)?
Can you take a picture from the back sort of like your first picture (at the beginning of the thread) but with the flip up footguard out of the way?

Aaron Z

Aaron,

You might be on to something there! Check out the pics I posted on page 2 with the 8 QDs mocked up. If that got knocked down to 4 QDs mounted in that location (behind/below the flip up foot guard) and the other 2 mounted at the valves or somewhere else that might actually be pretty reasonable.

I could put the TNT connections (2 valves with float) down in that location as those are my most likely to be used remotes and that would put them right where the action is.

With the hoe mounted I don't think I'll be using these valves much. One of the valves is a motor spool valve. I have dreams of running that valve to feed an auger mounted to the backhoe. So that QD needs to remain accessible with the hoe on.

The 4th valve, no plans as of now...it was a "might as well".

ac
 
/ Rear Remote Mounting Opinions #26  
Brian,

I've been hesitating pulling the hoe until I had a good idea of where the valve was going. I'm not worried about the QD's and the hoe too much, although I might eventually use the motor spool valve with the hoe on to power an auger I have.

I think the valve is going to wind up where I show it in my first position. It's about as good as it gets.

Unless...

I know you've been hesitant of this, but is there anyway to put the QD's right on the valve like Kubota does? Then I could mount the parallel to the seat in a similar spot to where Kubota has those 3 slots. The QD's would have to be elbowed for the first row and maybe straight up for the 2nd row? Or maybe a long elbow?

What do you think?

ac

Measure the width of the female QD and then measure the width of the control valve. Then you will see the problem. Yes you can actually do it sort of clean when you have 3 valves, you have 4, problem is greatly intensified. I suppose we could use all short and long 90s along with 45s and have the QDs in a fan pattern. If you want to do it, you are welcome to try, it's only time and money. ;)
 
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Measure the width of the female QD and then measure the width of the control valve. Then you will see the problem. Yes you can actually do it sort of clean when you have 3 valves, you have 4, problem is greatly intensified. I suppose we could use all short and long 90s along with 45s and have the QDs in a fan pattern. If you want to do it, you are welcome to try, it's only time and money. ;)

I finally pictured what you are saying. With 3 you can put the middle ones straight out and the 2 valves can have them mounted so they point out a bit. With 4 we are stuck with the 2 in the middle always trying to use the same space.

Ok, scratching that and back to finding a spot for the remote location.

What do you think about doing a combination of the 2? 2 valves with QDs mounted up by the valve, and 2 with the QDs mounted where I have them under the floor board? Is that a reasonable location?
 
/ Rear Remote Mounting Opinions #28  
I finally pictured what you are saying. With 3 you can put the middle ones straight out and the 2 valves can have them mounted so they point out a bit. With 4 we are stuck with the 2 in the middle always trying to use the same space.

Ok, scratching that and back to finding a spot for the remote location.

What do you think about doing a combination of the 2? 2 valves with QDs mounted up by the valve, and 2 with the QDs mounted where I have them under the floor board? Is that a reasonable location?

Whatever you think will work best for you, no I would not do that myself. Something else to consider as far as actual valve placement. In the pictures that were posted the valve and QDs are up on the ROPS. Now your tractor has 3 slots down low for control levers. Do you think that they still mount the valves up on the ROPS? I think that just like so many of their other tractors, they moved everything down and integrated into the tractor, much much cleaner. I would take another look at putting the valves down low. But that may just be me. :confused2:
 
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#29  
Whatever you think will work best for you, no I would not do that myself. Something else to consider as far as actual valve placement. In the pictures that were posted the valve and QDs are up on the ROPS. Now your tractor has 3 slots down low for control levers. Do you think that they still mount the valves up on the ROPS? I think that just like so many of their other tractors, they moved everything down and integrated into the tractor, much much cleaner. I would take another look at putting the valves down low. But that may just be me. :confused2:

I'm leaning towards this spot:


The spot they integrate the 3 control handles involves a lot of linkages and levers from what I could find and the valves themselves wind up buried under the machine. Not really feasible for an aftermarket install.

ac
 
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#30  
Unless I chop out that plastic and mount the valve body to that orange floor board so the handles stick up 90 degrees to the way they are in the picture, similar to the Kubota result. Then maybe route the quick disconnects up onto the ROPs?

I'm still really confused about Kubota's ACTUAL factory offering. Some of the pictures show them tattooed to the ROPs, others show them integrated to the plastic. However, what I cannot find is where the QDs wind up with the integrated into the plastic method.

ac
 
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/ Rear Remote Mounting Opinions #32  
What about in sort of the same location, turning the valve 90* and lay it down, have the levers move forward-backwards and using the other lever mount holes on the end. This would be getting it closer to the OEM location-positioning, just higher. The actual valves would be behind the control levers that would move in a forward-backward motion. :confused3:
 
/ Rear Remote Mounting Opinions #33  
So, switch the control levers 90 degrees and lay it down with the work ports facing straight up and the levers toward the front?
Could work. I might suggest taking the levers off and seeing how the valve fits under the plastic there.

Aaron Z
 
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So, switch the control levers 90 degrees and lay it down with the work ports facing straight up and the levers toward the front?
Could work. I might suggest taking the levers off and seeing how the valve fits under the plastic there.

Aaron Z

That is my next course and what I was trying to convey in post #30.

ac
 
/ Rear Remote Mounting Opinions #36  
I've looked at that thread a million times, I've even contacted Lauren. Unfortunately he had his dealer install the remotes at the same time as his cab so a lot of it is completely off the reservation with regards to my project.
Ok.
I think I found the parts diagram for the L39 valveblock that puts the valves in the plastic. Try going to Kubota Tractor Corporation - Parts List and putting in model number L3995.
My guess is that the "old" way was to integrate them into the plastic and the "new" way is to put them on the ROPS. Being as it is an "option" rather than a "component" they probably don't list the old version any more.


Aaron Z
 
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I did some more mock up. No way in heck the valves are fitting where Kubota put the handles on the fancy factory configuration. The 4 valves are almost 11" wide and the space is only ~9". In fact, any installation that has the valve body in that orientation (so the valves are parallel to the rear axle) just won't work due to the width.

Here are some more pics of the valves near the operator controls. This is very comfortable to use facing forward or backwards actually. I'm just a bit scared of running the 11 (yes, ELEVEN) hoses.





I did come up with another spot that works nicely, but again I'm not sure how the house routing would work.







Then I started thinking that if I could figure out a firm spot for the QDs maybe my hose routing fears would calm down. Here are some ideas:







...and one that I HATE:



I'm still not sure where this leaves me. LOL

ac
 
/ Rear Remote Mounting Opinions #38  
see if you have an old garden hose laying around, that will fit some what tight into QD's, pickup a couple barb fittings (plastic cheap stuff) at local hardware store. there should be no need for pipe clamps.

the garden hose and barb fittings just a way to route the hoses and see how things could possibly turn out. at moment ya just kinda flapping ya jaws not get any were.

ya need to remember that hydrualic hoses, has a min bend radius. you just can't grab a hold of them and bend them into a extreme sharp 90, if ya do they will kink. garden hose about nearest thing i can think of.

well i guess radiator hose. but more likely more expensive that garden hose at this time of year. and radiator hose more like harder to find at some local shop on hand.

TIP: if barb fittings have wrong thread style on them. get your belt sander out, or dremel with a sanding drum, or drill with sanding drum on it. and just nock the threads down. the plastic threads shouldn't do any sort of harm to the metal threads of valves or QD's or like. if ya do, do the sanding, a quick dunk in some water should get all the dust off of them.

TIP: i have taken sch 40 pipe, and used a "belt sander" and sanded down the outside of the pipe before, vs going with barb fittings and messing with them. the hose i on hand fight barely snug on the bare pipe. so it was kinda of a no brainier there. and i really didn't care how perfect the outside of the pipe was. i tried to get a nice round outside, but there was a lot of flat spots. the sch40 pipe wiggled in without much force and a couple turns. and i called it good enough to plan my routing of the hoses.

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you already have your valve manifold, so it is a bit to late to return it for either a 3 valve manifold block with an extra valve by itself or a 2 and 2 manifold valve blocks. though you might be able to split the valve manifold block up, buying a couple end plates, and some what is it 3 or 4 bolts that hold all the sections together.

you do not have to have all 8 QD's right next to each other in a single block....
it looks like your ROPS does not fold. so run some hoses up -> across -> down so you have 4 QD's on each side of the ROPS.

pull the backhoe off... and make a templet out of some cardboard of any sort of covers that might be on backhoe. and just duct tape them on. if need be. if you want to see difference between with backhoe on/off. vs actually have 3pt hitch with a TNT setup.

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your not the first nor will you be the last to get tangled up with location. running hoses / pipes can be an art at times. more so when you have multi hoses / pipes all running in a common area. when ya get into backyard liner ponds for koi/goldfish and multi DIY filters, dealing with 30 plus pipes/hoses/wires and cram it all into a small tight location. it gets a bit hair teasing at times. take your time and plan things out. expect a couple redo's on hoses and/or fittings on end of hoses or valve block or QD's. that's just part of customizing, "trail and error".

a mock up with garden hose and like costs some, but hyd hoses and specialized fittings and equipment to make hyd hoses is even more costly. if ya plan things right, you might be able to pull the garden hoses off, and then take to a local shop. were they can just lay down each garden hose for length, and voom, bam! instant hyd hoses. without a bunch of re-measuring or guessing.
 
/ Rear Remote Mounting Opinions #39  
there are different "pipe protectors" out there, if you expect some hoses to go across a sharp edge. "pex piping" for example has some long springs that fit over the pipe, or a metal strap that fits over pipe, to allow for a sharper bend without kinking hose. granted i don't suggest relying on these techniques. and try to avoid it as much as possible. but... it is something, beats having a pipe/hose rub itself down to point it cuts all the way into the pipe/hose and you get a leak.

also remember these hyd hoses will see high shock pressure as well as high vacuum pressures. as ya go about 3pt hitch normal stuff of running implements. and in that the hoses will want to bounce around some and move a little bit. the less amount the hoses the need to bend, the better for long term life of the hyd hoses.
 
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Ryan,

Thanks for the tips. Brian has told me that 3/8" air hose is a perfect simulator for the hydraulic hoses. I plan to grab a disposable spool.

ac
 

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