Rear Remote Hydraulic Valves

[Rick in MS]

What implements are Rear Remote Hydraulic Valves required to operate?

Would they be required, or wanted, for using only bush hogs/finish mowers, box blades and posthole diggers?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Here is one that can take as many as 4 separate controls just for itself. If you had a top & tilt set on your 3pt hitch, then you could be in need of 6 sets.

 

[adventure bob]

Most implements have various levels of automation/ remote control that require rear hydraulics. Mowers: Only if its a bat wing and you don't want to have to manually fold the wings. Snow blowers: The chute adjust on a rear mount for a cab tractor. Mt view posted a blade that would require hydraulics. I haven't seen a posthole digger that would require hydro. The rear hydro is for pretty much anything you don't want to have to get off the tractor for.
Good discussion same topic http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...-remote-hydraulic-attachments-implements.html

 

[ericm979]

Top and Tilt are very useful for box blades. Tilt lets you adjust the blade at an angle to the tractor so you can level sloped ground or put a side slope on a road for drainage. Yes you can do it with an adjustable link but if you have to get off and mess with the link every few feet you wont do it.
Top is useful for all implements. Lets you adjust the angle of the implement easily. With it I can bring the mower all the way up so it will clear the ground when the tractor goes into a dip or adjust the mower's angle from the seat.

It's not required, but neither is power steering or HST or extentable link arms or telescoping stabilzers or ergonomic controls or suspended seats or any of the other features that make tractor work easier and more efficient.

I'm glad I got my top and tilt.

 

[TheMadOne]

I got my tractor with three remotes. And I bought a hydraulic top link. I really should plumb that up one of these days. But I like knowing that if I need a remote it'll be there. Plus it does add to resell value, especially in the larger CUTs. There's a reason most full size utility tractors come with one standard.

To add to the list, some pull type mowers adjust the cut depth with a cylinder. Also you could power a wood splitter.

 

[PHPaul]

Some post hole diggers use a hydraulic cylinder for a "power down" function. I modified mine that way and it made a world of difference.

I also use mine for a hydraulic top link on my box blade and the chute deflector on my snowblower (the chute rotation is electric).

And, if you're a cheap esso bee like me, you can add some long hoses and use it for a Poor Man's Third Function on a front loader. I've done just that for the Thumb Grapple on my bucket. $200 for hoses and fittings vs. $800 plus plumbing for a third function on the loader valve.

 

[CDN Farm Boy]

And, if you're a cheap esso bee like me, you can add some long hoses and use it for a Poor Man's Third Function on a front loader. I've done just that for the Thumb Grapple on my bucket. $200 for hoses and fittings vs. $800 plus plumbing for a third function on the loader valve.

I hear ya there. I've got 4 spools on mine with one plumbed to the front.

My list of implements vs spool usage:
- Currently the other 3 only get used at the same time with the snow blower: Top link, chute rotation and chute deflector -- and my tractor is open station, it just makes life a LOT easier with the hyd controls
- One set has a detent that will run either my wood splitter or backhoe.
- I use a second set with the backhoe for my hyd thumb
- Hyd dump wagon
- Logging grapple build in (slow) progress
- Rear blade to be modified to hyd angle.
- A tow-behind grader in the planning stages
- Landscape rake (to be purchased this spring and immediately modified to hyd angle)

As mentioned, many things that have manual adjustment could be done with a hyd cyl (Like angle on a rear blade as one option). There are some things that I don't see how it's possible without hydraulics like a dump wagon or a logging grapple (sure there are some homemade grapples without but really.....) If you are like me, once you get used to the convenience of being able to just pull a lever to adjust something, you'll want to convert everything to hyd.

With your list of 'current' implements/uses, it's perfectly reasonable to not have any remotes. On the other side of things, once you've had them you'll never be without. Related, the bigger the tractor & implements, the more the 'need' for remotes rather than manual adjust.

 

[newbury]

What implements are Rear Remote Hydraulic Valves required to operate?

There can be an infinite list of things, some not mentioned are hydraulic saws and hydraulic chainsaws. I'm sure some enterprising TBN'er could hook up a hydraulically flushed toilet.

Would they be required, or wanted, for using only bush hogs/finish mowers, box blades and posthole diggers?

Not for your standard ones.

I've two on the rear of my M4700 I've not used since I bought it. But it came with the two already installed.

 

[Rick in MS]

Most implements have various levels of automation/ remote control that require rear hydraulics. Mowers: Only if its a bat wing and you don't want to have to manually fold the wings. Snow blowers: The chute adjust on a rear mount for a cab tractor. Mt view posted a blade that would require hydraulics. I haven't seen a posthole digger that would require hydro. The rear hydro is for pretty much anything you don't want to have to get off the tractor for.
Good discussion same topic http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...-remote-hydraulic-attachments-implements.html

Appreciate the link - it didn't come up when I tried Google...

 

[CCWKen]

I plan on adding four. Two fixed for T&T and two QC for implements such as hydraulic PHD, Grader lift and swivel, Rake swivel, Box Blade ripper shank lift, Disk Harrow angle and lift, Mower off set, etc. Plenty of uses for remotes once you have them. And as such, your implements become more expensive.

 

[adventure bob]

SAC: toilets with water in them, are by definition hydraulic.

 

[AxleHub]

What implements are Rear Remote Hydraulic Valves required to operate?

Would they be required, or wanted, for using only bush hogs/finish mowers, box blades and posthole diggers?

1st off . . I think the answer to your question is not related to tractor size. Many others are sighting uses for a rear remote for compact and larger tractors. But let me give you some examples for a sub compact tractor like mine. That I didn't know I might do when I bought mine 2 years ago.

1. A hydraulic top link allows a 3ph mounted 40 gallon sprayer to easily adjust spray angles as ground inclines exist.

2. A hydraulic top link allows a 3ph mounted set of forks to adjust its load angle. Now why is that important? Well the forks I bought to use on my gel, also can be 3pt mounted. So??? Well my 3ph has an even larger weight capacity than my gel has. . so a heavier load can be handled lower and heavier on the back. In addition. . it also allows me at times to use the gel with either bucket or grapple and still have forks on back too for special needs.

3. A hydraulic top link allows a 3ph mounted cargo box to be adjusted saw a saw or rocks don't fall out on a hill or incline.

4. A hydraulic top link allows a 3ph mounted trencher or spike or to move 3ph mounted items to have some downward
Pressure adjustment.

5. And beyond are rear snow blower or rear grapple or. . .

Now my post has a point. . . I'm not a farmer . . I have bluegrass well maintained lawns and a little woods. . I don't burn wood the last 15 years. . . I don't grow food etc. And I have a frequently used sub compact tractor that does real work.

2 years ago buying this unit I didn't know I needed more remotes (front or rear). But today I know they are a benefit lol.

 

[CDN Farm Boy]

4. A hydraulic top link allows a 3ph mounted trencher or spike or to move 3ph mounted items to have some downward
Pressure adjustment.

Sorry but this is incorrect. A hydraulic top link will do absolutely nothing for down pressure. It will allow implement adjustment like all your other points but not down pressure.

 

[AxleHub]

Sorry but this is incorrect. A hydraulic top link will do absolutely nothing for down pressure. It will allow implement adjustment like all your other points but not down pressure.

What I was referring to is that a hydraulic top link allows the operator to alter the angle ofpeetration on a trencher like is used forirrigation pipe or a trenching spike. In either case the change of angle causes the trencher or spike to pull down not the ground rather than dragging it on top of the ground with mere height control.

 

[CDN Farm Boy]

What I was referring to is that a hydraulic top link allows the operator to alter the angle ofpeetration on a trencher like is used forirrigation pipe or a trenching spike. In either case the change of angle causes the trencher or spike to pull down not the ground rather than dragging it on top of the ground with mere height control.

Agreed but that's a different story. You said down pressure. I didn't want anyone that didn't already know the difference (like possibly the OP) to think that they'd get down pressure out of a Hyd toplink

 

[AxleHub]

Back to the point of the thread. The use or desire or need for some form of 3rd valve or remote . . . Either front or rear . . . is not always known at purchase. And the ability to add future implements is a need for most tractor owners.

As just two examples in my own case : I planned the size and type of brand very well. 2 years later, I would buy the same brand and same size again without hesitation. But in this example I had not thought a 3 pt. sprayer would be desirable and at most I thought maybe a little pull behind would be a choice. Until I found out the cost of a 3 pt. Sprayer was so attractive and more beneficial for my needs. So then the idea of the top link being hydraulically controlled came into play. And then the fact a fork set I urchasedcould also be used on the rear. . Could also benefit by the hydraulic top link became a second advantage. And lastly the invention for a sub compact of a "small width" lighter weigh grapple for logs and rock hauling, now allows justification to acquire a dual remote rather than a 3rd function valve.

Again my point is . . . I didn't /don't need to grow in "size" of tractor . . but experience, uses, and needs allows me to grow in options/implements.

 

[adventure bob]

If you haven't bought a tractor, getting them to throw in a rear remote or two is pretty easy. Going back after the fact, they get a little pricey.

 

[AxleHub]

If you haven't bought a tractor, getting them to throw in a rear remote or two is pretty easy. Going back after the fact, they get a little pricey.

I'm curious about definitions. On a Sub-Compact tractor purchase. What would be the add-on cost for a good price to add a front and a rear remote in your opinion ? And what would you think would be "a little pricey" for the same front remote and a rear remote after the fact but both done at the same time?

I'm not trying to be tricky here. . Just trying to define the statement about costs for a Sub-Compact tractor.

 

[dixstir]

I have a JD 2032R, was going to put extra set of hydraulic on the rear, but changed my mind , so I have the kits to do that I,dont need them now, they are for sale fitings and hoses.

 

[adventure bob]

best way to get MSRP for remotes is go to the dealers site and "build my tractor." When you add the remotes you can see the price change. That price is MSRP on the remote.