Question for those who live in California

[plowhog]

I looked up the ordinance. Here is the wording. As with any, if fireworks are going off, it's easy to cite the property owner then let them pay the money and expense to go battle that they had no idea who was going to do what.

“Host,” as it relates to this ordinance, means a person who knowingly permits or allows fireworks to be lit, exploded, or sold on private property owned or controlled by the person, and the person knows or reasonably should have known that the fireworks would have been lit, exploded or sold.

Q- if you own 500 acres of land that is unfenced, should you "reasonably know" someone might walk onto it and light off fireworks?

Sac County Adopts Social Host Ordinance

www.saccounty.gov

 

[ultrarunner]

Well, there goes due process and presumption of innocence again ..... I've never heard of a "social host ordinance"-- but apparently Sacramento County, CA has passed one.

From the article:

"As illegal fireworks for yet another year lit up the sky over the Sacramento region on the Fourth of July, first responder agencies reiterated their intention to issue harsher fines.

Due to a countywide social host ordinance, if it was done in front of your property, you are responsible for it no matter who was lighting it off."

Hefty fines still on the way for illegal firework launches across Northern California

"We're trying to make it count and hit you in your pocketbook to pay these expensive fines. We're tired of seeing these illegal fireworks."

www.kcra.com

These things often get Beaten back or watered down.

It’s like watching a sideshow makes you subject to citation.

A reporter so cited is challenging this…

 

[ultrarunner]

I looked up the ordinance. Here is the wording. As with any, if fireworks are going off, it's easy to cite the property owner then let them pay the money and expense to go battle that they had no idea who was going to do what.

“Host,” as it relates to this ordinance, means a person who knowingly permits or allows fireworks to be lit, exploded, or sold on private property owned or controlled by the person, and the person knows or reasonably should have known that the fireworks would have been lit, exploded or sold.

Q- if you own 500 acres of land that is unfenced, should you "reasonably know" someone might walk onto it and light off fireworks?

Sac County Adopts Social Host Ordinance

www.saccounty.gov

And just how does one prevent…? Especially when police don’t respond?

 

[Eagle1]

And just how does one prevent…? Especially when police don’t respond?

At gun point? oh wait we are talking CA .... can I use dogs to remove unwanted people ?

 

[ultrarunner]

At gun point? oh wait we are talking CA .... can I use dogs to remove unwanted people ?

Self help is frowned upon and runs the risk of bigger problems.

Official line in all cases retreat… but with these should have known ordinances it’s a catch 22.

 

[ultrarunner]

Sacramento city attorney reportedly threatened to fine Target store for reporting theft crimes

A Sacramento, California city attorney reportedly threatened to fine a local Target store for public nuisance after reporting numerous thefts to police.

www.foxnews.com

 

[plowhog]

should have known ordinances

It's "free" for the muni PD or Sheriff to write a citation. But gets quite expensive trying to go to court and overturn against a presumption of guilt by being the landowner.

 

[plowhog]

Where does the madness end? A retailer gets threatened with a fine for reporting retail theft?

It takes a new law to prevent harassment for reporting a crime?

 

[ultrarunner]

Reminds me of a husband and wife and son concrete contractor.

They got stiffed by a developer who filed Bankruptcy but failed to name them.

The wife was so upset and with broken English vowed to collect.

She filed in court and won... then she renewed the judgement and years later did collect plus interest.

She said no one disrespects the hard work of my family...

 

[ultrarunner]

I feel bad for local law enforcement as several times a week I request non emergency police response...

Lots of odd events with people coming in off the street...