Pro union/Anti Union ?

MessickFarmEqu · Aug 11, 2004

Pro Onion, Anti-Union. Gov't regulations have replaced the need for unions. They only serve to prop up saleries for the good ole boys and protect lazy idiots from getting fired.

I am much more adverse to unions in Gov't situations because they can always raise taxes to meet union demands and stick the rest of us with the bill.

slowrev · Aug 11, 2004

I think the unions are somewhat contrary to capitalism and free enterprise.

So are child labor laws. Remember unions first began when children were worked in coal mines and such. check back in history, unions were caused by corporate abuse of workers.

I don't think many of us would like living in a country totally run by capitalism and free enterprise /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Bob_Skurka · Aug 11, 2004

( Pro Onion, Anti-Union. Gov't regulations have replaced the need for unions. They only serve to prop up saleries for the good ole boys and protect lazy idiots from getting fired.

I am much more adverse to unions in Gov't situations because they can always raise taxes to meet union demands and stick the rest of us with the bill. )

I really wanted to stay out of this discussion, but Neal really hit my sore spot. I think a union shop at a private business may be good if the business owner takes advantage of the employees. But when we are talking about government jobs, then I get just a tiny bit more opinionated. Probably because I live in a highly unionized county and the government workers are some of the highest paid workers around as well getting far more benefits than private enterprise employees and guaranteed pay raises, all the while the govenment employees are virtually guaranteed never to be laid off, no matter how bad the economy, no matter how mismanged the governement entity and no matter if there is even a need for their service. Government employees should be subject the pressures of the market just like the rest of us. . . but then again I think we vote ALL the politicians of EVERY party out of office (even the ones I like) and start over with new people.

MicroPilot · Aug 11, 2004

( . . . but then again I think we vote ALL the politicians of EVERY party out of office (even the ones I like) and start over with new people.)

HEAR!! HEAR!!

And then term limit the suckers to prevent "career" politicians!!

BillyP · Aug 11, 2004

Unions started out good but they don't know when to stop asking for more.

Where does it end:

2 weeks of vacation or 2 months?
Sick leave? 2 days a month or 10. Can you take a day off and call it a sick day? Can you save it up and retire early?
How many holidays should you get paid for? What if they declare new holidays, should that be added?
Emergency leave? Should it build up like Sick leave?
The list goes on and on.

I don't blame anyone for wanting all they can get but the time has come that people are going to have to suck it up.

One day soon you'll wake up and your job is being done by someone else in another country, if it hasn't already happened to you.

DocHeb · Aug 11, 2004

( How did we get on onions? )

Because onions are more related to rural living and tractors than unions.

Because nobody will be angry or mad at somebody regarding their opinion of onions, but conflicting opinions about unions may get people's hackles up.

Because a post regarding "For Unions/Against Unions" comes very close to violating the intent of the "no religion or politics" rule of this web site for the World's Largest Tractor Community.

Because when this thread degrades and people get angry and it is locked down, and the thread is long forgotten, that anger will still percolate into the interpersonal relationships among some members of this forum.

OrangeGuy · Aug 11, 2004

DocHeb,

I fully agree! I am surprised that this discussion wasn't yanked at the very beginning. Let's get back to tractors.

OrangeGuy

IrTxRx · Aug 11, 2004

Because nobody will be angry or mad at somebody regarding their opinion of onions 

I friggin' hate onions and all you pro-onion people too. I don't give a flip if it's sweet, green, red,wild, fresh or cured... all of 'em should be rounded up and burned in a diesel fueled frenzy. As for you Skurka and your garlic (plain or namby-pamby roasted), just see above!!!

Hating onions because I can!

(just kidding /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif, I like onions and think fire roasted garlic is the best. P.S. when I don't have time to truly roast the garlic, I "roast/fry" it in real butter and then pour it all into mashed potatoes...yum, yum)

Bob_Skurka · Aug 11, 2004

( Because nobody will be angry or mad at somebody regarding their opinion of onions 

I friggin' hate onions and all you pro-onion people too. I don't give a flip if it's sweet, green, red,wild, fresh or cured... all of 'em should be rounded up and burned in a diesel fueled frenzy. As for you Skurka and your garlic (plain or namby-pamby roasted), just see above!!!

Hating onions because I can!

(just kidding /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif, I like onions and think fire roasted garlic is the best. P.S. when I don't have time to truly roast the garlic, I "roast/fry" it in real butter and then pour it all into mashed potatoes...yum, yum) )

Personally, I would have laughed harder and longer if you left out the little smiley face thingy and the whole PS thing. But then I thrive on sarcasm.

gotrocks · Aug 11, 2004

Well, I just gave in and decided to tell my "TRUE" story. In the 40's I read TRUE magazine each month. There was a story about a guy and his family that took a 6 month round the world trip. Back then that was not something one heard about very often. Well seem this guy was a steel worker and he got 3 month vacation each year so he arrainged it so he took them back to back.

That story stayed in my memory until the 80's when my oldest son got engaged to a wonderful girl. We went to a party for the couple in Alabama and while there I met two of her uncles, both were retired from steel company.

I told them about the "TRUE" story and ask if it was in fact TRUE.

They looked at each other and verified that yes steel workers did infact get 13 weeks vacation.
Sorry but I can't feel sorry for that group when their job goes belly-up.
That means we have all been paying for 13 weeks vacation every time we purchased something containg steel.

I've got another personal experience with Trailways Bus Lines unionized employees but I'll stop here. They have already missed their Bus.

higgy · Aug 11, 2004

Hey,, be on you best or the PC police will come and get you for being a person that does not like or is not fair to vegetables.

Bird · Aug 11, 2004

( I eat Walla Walla sweets like an apple )

It seems you don't hear of the other varieties as much as the Vidalia, but having traveled the country from one end to the other, I've concluded that the Vidalia, Walla Walla, and Texas 1015Y are the best onions you can get. I'll take any of those 3 and don't care which.

Bob_Skurka · Aug 11, 2004

( ( I eat Walla Walla sweets like an apple )

It seems you don't hear of the other varieties as much as the Vidalia, but having traveled the country from one end to the other, I've concluded that the Vidalia, Walla Walla, and Texas 1015Y are the best onions you can get. I'll take any of those 3 and don't care which.

OK now seriously, why are you guys (not just Bird) all so enamored with "sweet" onions? Some of us like the firey bite of a good hot onion. Oh sure, the sweets have their place, but not on a hamburger. Give me a nice red onion on a burger, something with moderate heat. Or how about some good crisp yellow onions in chili? I don't want no whimpy sweet onions!!!

Dozernut · Aug 11, 2004

Stanley Yelnats was saved from the poisonous lizards by the lowly onion, so they do contain a power. I think I would rather have the poisonous lizards get me than have to eat one of those durn things.

shoppintractors · Aug 11, 2004

I prefer the onion to be in full bloom. More commonly known as a Bloomin' Onion.

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Henro · Aug 11, 2004

While I don't by any means claim to be a conasewer, even though my wife often feels differently, the union of the onion and my taste buds is to be looked forward to...be it sweet, moderate or robust... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Amazingly it seems I have turned pro union, as otherwise life would be bland and the taste buds would go on strike, and without taste what good would beer be anyway?

Yes, a truly meaningful thread... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Where'd that hot sauce go??? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Bird · Aug 12, 2004

Bob, in my younger days, I liked hot things like jalapenos and hot onions in some things, but not anymore. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I still like lots of onion, but much prefer the sweet, mild ones. I only grew the red ones one year. They look good in salads and such, and the taste was just fine, but they sure didn't keep as well, or as long, as the 1015Y. I don't know whether others have the same luck or not.

slowrev · Aug 12, 2004

I wonder if the tax dollars spent promoting onions could be termed onion dues ?

daedong · Aug 12, 2004

Maybe we should move this subject a little off base and discuss Social Security????? 
Junkman seems to have disappeared.
I don't know what social security the US has but maybe he is hiding out with lots of aliases collecting social sercurity. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif