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   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #61  
B&W tv, hand crank start cars, phones attched to walls - all worked just fine.
Yet all are obsolete.

I suppose there are folks without central heating too, or electricity or indoor plumbing or still use a horse for transportation - I mean, besides the Amish (who often have cell phones these days BTW)

My phone is still attached to the wall
My black an white TV actually still works and works well after all these years
I own 2 cars that have a hand crank and they have never failed to start
The defanition of central heat needs defined better but I currently have a properly designed home that has an old fashioned Warm Morning coal stove that radiates heat without electricity. Every single family member, friend and visitor that has entered here in the winter has been amazed at how warm it is in here compared to thier fancy expensive modern heat, they also mostly drop thier jaws in disbelief when the inquire about the cost of that heat compared to thier fancy modern heating system.
So what you consider obsolete may not be near as far gone as you think.

Now having used an out-house in the winter as a child, I will not argue on the usefulness of that other than an emergency when outside in the summer or for use when We host a summertime pick nick or get together and don稚 want everyone having to walk threw our house. But then again it does still function as designed and it has never needed a plunger so it isn稚 completely obsolete.
 
   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #62  
I have seen Mennonites with a cell phone in each hand!

You can't hardly fix stuff anymore. Just taking stuff apart is a challenge. Often, no screws, and if there are, they are hidden. Can't have ugly screws showing! Funny, the stuff that makes this world work, has to be hidden!

Never have so many people known so little (or cared) about what makes their world work.
 
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B&W tv, hand crank start cars, phones attched to walls - all worked just fine.
Yet all are obsolete.

I suppose there are folks without central heating too, or electricity or indoor plumbing or still use a horse for transportation - I mean, besides the Amish (who often have cell phones these days BTW)

Sort of... an old like new chrome and porcelain Wedgewood stove... one side is gas the other wood with a copper coil that heats a 20 gallon tank for domestic hot water... there is a small 20,000 Btu floor furnace along with the original 30 amp electric service and a single knife disconnect and subpanel with one 20 amp outlet and 15 lights...

Never had a problem with any of it... during the Loma Preita Earth Quake the similar 1922 bungalows that had been remodeled had nothing as power was out for nearly a week... my Wedgewood stove kept me cooking and in hot water and the millivolt floor furnace worked like a charm...

Newer is sometimes just newer... especially if you don't need features newer offers... bells and whistles have their place and somethings are very convenient for sure...

I have very expensive medical that is worthless because it is obsolete... yet my 1953 NAA tractor is worth more today than it cost new in 1953.

Sometimes simple basic dependable quality endures...

And yes... all of my first cars came with hand cranks and so do some of my tractors... just got the 1948 Farmall out of the barn since last December.... 4 cranks with the hand starter and she roared to life... no battery needed or required...
 
   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #64  
new makes live easier.

Phone on the wall works, but you kinda gotta be withing 10 foot of it. And it's only a phone.

My cell phone works just about world wide, and it's maps, text, email, camera, note taker, video, calculator, timer, clock, unlimited music collection, tv, instruction manaul for just about anything, library...and no doubt a whole lot more.

Paper maps..don't talk. I can say "ok google, take me to the rock and roll hall of fame" and it will do that, step by step telling me when to turn. Need gas on the way? It will help with that. Hungry? No problem.
I was picking up an implement from a rural address - it got me there, told me when I'd arraive, and on the way back when I had a tire issue it got me to an open on sunday tire store.

Paper maps can't do that. Never could, never will.

And I've got EVERYWHERE on my phone..not just this state and the next one over.

As for a coal stove or wood stove...sure, they work.
But you know what? I'm warm - and didn't have to shovel coal, fetch coal, have it delivered, cut wood, etc. No stove to stoke, never too hot or too cold. And come 95F and 90% humidity I can sleep in comfort too.
 
   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #65  
You can't hardly fix stuff anymore. Just taking stuff apart is a challenge. Often, no screws, and if there are, they are hidden. Can't have ugly screws showing! Funny, the stuff that makes this world work, has to be hidden!

Never have so many people known so little (or cared) about what makes their world work.

I agree. My (older) generation didn't expect reliability, so it was important to have easy repairability - along with the knowledge about how things work. That ability to fix it yourself - right along with the knowledge to do so - doesn't seem as important as it once was...and that surprises me.

Most mechanical things are more reliable now, but not completely so. And I can't figure out why doing it yourself has declined in popularity. People seem to be as concerned about expense as they ever were, and there just isn't anything that saves money like doing things yourself.

I'm sure the answer is a simple one, but it eludes me.
rScotty
 
   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #66  
The sheep have been programmed to buy! Buy, buy, buy! And I have witnessed it, how they just love to buy! I like it, when I leave a store, or auction and have bought nothing. Money still in pocket.
 
   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #67  
new makes live easier.

Phone on the wall works, but you kinda gotta be withing 10 foot of it. And it's only a phone.

My cell phone works just about world wide, and it's maps, text, email, camera, note taker, video, calculator, timer, clock, unlimited music collection, tv, instruction manaul for just about anything, library...and no doubt a whole lot more.

Paper maps..don't talk. I can say "ok google, take me to the rock and roll hall of fame" and it will do that, step by step telling me when to turn. Need gas on the way? It will help with that. Hungry? No problem.
I was picking up an implement from a rural address - it got me there, told me when I'd arraive, and on the way back when I had a tire issue it got me to an open on sunday tire store.

Paper maps can't do that. Never could, never will.

And I've got EVERYWHERE on my phone..not just this state and the next one over.

As for a coal stove or wood stove...sure, they work.
But you know what? I'm warm - and didn't have to shovel coal, fetch coal, have it delivered, cut wood, etc. No stove to stoke, never too hot or too cold. And come 95F and 90% humidity I can sleep in comfort too.

Went to a funeral in a city that I hadn’t been in in 31 years last year. Found the funeral home without having to doubleback or go out of the way at all without even looking at a map.
4 people who live in that city could not find thier way to the same funeral home even when guided by thier precious built in maps and tracking system.

Phone being on the wall means if you leave a message I might call you back and I feel no need to see who just called until I’m darn good and ready. The phone on the wall doesn’t cut me off, get messages a day late I can drop it and throw it around and it never seems to break. Besides that it costs less an I haven’t been distracted by it with a call or a message at an untimely manner ever.
Most people I know don’t and many can’t seem to remember anyone’s phone number without the use of thier built in phone directory but I can remember almost every phone number of everyone I ever had since I was a child, that’s Old land lines and thier ever changing new cell numbers.
Interesting is they can’t seem to think for themselves without the crutch built in to thier phone and I honestly believe it’s making people dummer by 5he second as they never seem to be able to figure things out for themselves. I could short change over half the population and they wouldn’t be able to even figure out if I did unless they pull up thier calculator on the phone they somehow seem to feel the need to never be without.
I have no need to text anyone! Heck it’s part of the problem why they can’t understand what someone just said to them. Maybe if they spent some time actually talking or better yet typing a complete sentence they might just begin to understand things that are said again. Maybe if I spoke half with words and half with pictures and manipulations of the language they might get some of it. But even after watching them search for the answer on thier phone most still somehow get it wrong or still can’t understand half of what they read.
Try teaching a bunch of the young brain dead cell phone raised people out there today to perform a complex task that requires actual use of thier own brain and you will see what I am talking about.

For the odd time or two that I have to get that paper map out of my glove box, Ican actually find a better way than anyone with a cell phone has offered.
Last time in Philly went a little out of my normal area to do some odd buisness, decided to cut across town rather than back track. Never before in that area so I asked some locals what the best road was to get where I wanted to go. Had a good laugh as 5 people who claim to have been born and raised right there all would have had me back track miles to get a straight road south only to have to come back east the same amount of distance as I already was. Pulled out went one block east then south and ended up 1 block from where I wanted to be.
On the way home I took thier cell phone inspired route and it took over 3 times as long and was also more miles.

Flat tires? I have carried a plug kit in the tool box since I could drive. Back then I also carried a hand pump but now the compressors built on the truck so I don’t need an open tire store and honestly never did. No wait just plug it fill it with air and go. Funny that plug and tool kit costs a lot les than the reoccurring charge of the cell phone and it doesn’t cost near as much as a built in GPS unit that just makes every modern dashboard look simply Hydious.

Bet you a thousand dollars you paid more for that fancy heating unit, more for the fuel and electric to power it. Probably still have cold spots in your house. Not to mention I actually enjoy the stove, that look, the ambiance and don’t consider it work. Had the same stove since my very first home and it has never cost me any money to fix it although my Grandfather said he had to replace a grate once before I was born.
The coal ashes are put to good use and it gives me a reason to run the tractor about once a week in the winter as I use it to carry the ashes out.
One must remember that not everyone needs to stay in constant communication, or needs directions all the time many of us OLD farts need to do some work and move around on a regular basis.Rolling up windows reading a map and being able to remember directions you learned from it, moving some ashes or a few shovels full of coal isn’t hard work, it’s theraputic
I honestly tried sitting still for a few days and It actually hurt more than I do when I overwork myself.

Enjoy your cell phone, enjoy the cost enjoy what you consider the benefits but remember to me it’s just something else I don’t want or need.
 
   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #68  
well, I don't have to remember numbers - ever. Used to..used to do a lot of things I don't do now. Could if I wanted to I suppose, but I'd rather do other things, MORE things, as I"m not bogged down doing things that DO NOT NEED done.

Call me? You're number is in my phone. As may be your email, work/home/cell phones. All in one place. Easy peasy. I can even 'call john' from my car - i like it. I've not had a call dropped in I can't remember how long.

As for messages..I get them, AND the transcript in text as well. Rather quite convenient.

I gave up wearing a watch, had the phone with me (plus clocks in my cars). I may go to a smart watch - a few friends have them..no need to reach for your phone anymore. can't get much easier than that.

I'd rather talk on the phone than text, but I'm slowly coming around. And it's the wave of the future - like a personal fax machine. Kids today will text 10,000 to 15,000 texts a MONTH. Yowsa.

As to cost...yeah, this new stuff is, in cash, more costly. BUT what is TIME worth? I can make more cash, steal it, forge it even. Can't get more time no matter what I do.

So the heat is one now, and will be later, and tomorrow too. I don'thave to find wood to cut, chop/split, stack, dry and bring into the house. If I had to pay for firewood it probably wouldn't save me much money. I spend about $1800 a year on heating and cooling fuel (for 2 buildings, 3 furnaces/AC units, some gas some electric. Granted, a wood burner is likely less maintenance, more reliable.

You don't need a tractor either. Why not a horse and buggy? Or wheel barrow? People lived for 10k years without them new fangled tractors.

Yes, I don't know what long term complications may arise from folks not communicating..i've seen new stories about it. I try not to think about some things - like how stupid many people are and some of them are in the health care field and your life may depend on them...scary thought.
Went to a funeral in a city that I hadn’t been in in 31 years last year. Found the funeral home without having to doubleback or go out of the way at all without even looking at a map.
4 people who live in that city could not find thier way to the same funeral home even when guided by thier precious built in maps and tracking system.

Phone being on the wall means if you leave a message I might call you back and I feel no need to see who just called until I’m darn good and ready. The phone on the wall doesn’t cut me off, get messages a day late I can drop it and throw it around and it never seems to break. Besides that it costs less an I haven’t been distracted by it with a call or a message at an untimely manner ever.
Most people I know don’t and many can’t seem to remember anyone’s phone number without the use of thier built in phone directory but I can remember almost every phone number of everyone I ever had since I was a child, that’s Old land lines and thier ever changing new cell numbers.
Interesting is they can’t seem to think for themselves without the crutch built in to thier phone and I honestly believe it’s making people dummer by 5he second as they never seem to be able to figure things out for themselves. I could short change over half the population and they wouldn’t be able to even figure out if I did unless they pull up thier calculator on the phone they somehow seem to feel the need to never be without.
I have no need to text anyone! Heck it’s part of the problem why they can’t understand what someone just said to them. Maybe if they spent some time actually talking or better yet typing a complete sentence they might just begin to understand things that are said again. Maybe if I spoke half with words and half with pictures and manipulations of the language they might get some of it. But even after watching them search for the answer on thier phone most still somehow get it wrong or still can’t understand half of what they read.
Try teaching a bunch of the young brain dead cell phone raised people out there today to perform a complex task that requires actual use of thier own brain and you will see what I am talking about.

For the odd time or two that I have to get that paper map out of my glove box, Ican actually find a better way than anyone with a cell phone has offered.
Last time in Philly went a little out of my normal area to do some odd buisness, decided to cut across town rather than back track. Never before in that area so I asked some locals what the best road was to get where I wanted to go. Had a good laugh as 5 people who claim to have been born and raised right there all would have had me back track miles to get a straight road south only to have to come back east the same amount of distance as I already was. Pulled out went one block east then south and ended up 1 block from where I wanted to be.
On the way home I took thier cell phone inspired route and it took over 3 times as long and was also more miles.

Flat tires? I have carried a plug kit in the tool box since I could drive. Back then I also carried a hand pump but now the compressors built on the truck so I don’t need an open tire store and honestly never did. No wait just plug it fill it with air and go. Funny that plug and tool kit costs a lot les than the reoccurring charge of the cell phone and it doesn’t cost near as much as a built in GPS unit that just makes every modern dashboard look simply Hydious.

Bet you a thousand dollars you paid more for that fancy heating unit, more for the fuel and electric to power it. Probably still have cold spots in your house. Not to mention I actually enjoy the stove, that look, the ambiance and don’t consider it work. Had the same stove since my very first home and it has never cost me any money to fix it although my Grandfather said he had to replace a grate once before I was born.
The coal ashes are put to good use and it gives me a reason to run the tractor about once a week in the winter as I use it to carry the ashes out.
One must remember that not everyone needs to stay in constant communication, or needs directions all the time many of us OLD farts need to do some work and move around on a regular basis.Rolling up windows reading a map and being able to remember directions you learned from it, moving some ashes or a few shovels full of coal isn’t hard work, it’s theraputic
I honestly tried sitting still for a few days and It actually hurt more than I do when I overwork myself.

Enjoy your cell phone, enjoy the cost enjoy what you consider the benefits but remember to me it’s just something else I don’t want or need.
 
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Affluence provides options parents and grandparents never had... at least in my family... no doubt turning up a thermostat is far easier than gathering wood and tending a fire... similar in that my grandparents never owned a vehicle... just one tractor that was bought long before I came along... nothing wrong with tech and what it brings... my only point is my grandparents never wanted for anything and lived simply in the home they built, ate food they raised, furniture they made and there was little technology could do for them
 
   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #70  
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my only point is my grandparents never wanted for anything and lived simply in the home they built, ate food they raised, furniture they made and there was little technology could do for them

Yes..... I see your point. And although technology could have done little for them, I have to wonder what they could have accomplished if they had technology to help them out.
rScotty
 
   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #71  
Phone being on the wall means if you leave a message I might call you back and I feel no need to see who just called until I’m darn good and ready. The phone on the wall doesn’t cut me off, get messages a day late I can drop it and throw it around and it never seems to break. Besides that it costs less an I haven’t been distracted by it with a call or a message at an untimely manner ever.
Costs less? How much a month do they charge for it? I get cell service for $25/month with unlimited talk/text and 2gb of data. They have cheaper plans, but some months I need more minutes than the cheaper plan offers.
I keep a PDF of the owners/shop manuals for all of our equipment on my phone as well, that way I can look up that information on my phone if I need to work on them.

Aaron Z
 
   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #72  
When I gave up my landline in lieu of a cell phone the provider gave me a hard time, saying that they couldn't allow me a contract without a landline. So I gave them my company cell #. As cell phones have proliferated and "improved" the signal and service has gotten shabbier and shabbier and my employer now allows me to use their cell for personal use. I have gone back to a phone on the wall, often planning my days around being home to make phone calls... just as I did 30 years ago.
No, it is not any cheaper; phone and internet is just a little less than 100$/month. But I have a phone that I can actually use when I want to call somebody, instead of driving around for an hour trying to find a signal; which seems to vary from day to day.
 
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I'm sure we all know people that are early adopters and seem to have money to burn... just as we know those that are frugal and live a good life.

I work with professionals that make a lot of money and spend, spend, spend... like never owning a vehicle out of warranty or leasing...

Also work with those that punch a clock and pay cash for a new car/truck... they will also have it with a little luck for a very long time...

There is no one answer other than some need a lot more to live and others do quite well on modest amounts...

For me it is driven by need or investment...

Need is do I have what I need to accomplish the task...

Investment is not so simple but for me having fun with antique cars and tractors has also been profitable... which makes it nice to have self supporting hobbies.
 
   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #74  
And you don't need a robot or self driving car...or do you? Your kids will have them i'm sure.

We lose skills too - riding a horse, or driving a team was probably pretty common 200 years ago..today? Hells no.

If your grand parents lived without a car why do you have one? If they existed happily without it...so can you! LOL

I cna't imagine the effort needed to build a log cabin on raw ground..and grow your own food, tote your water, etc.

****, things that baffle me - food preservation. OK, I can grow corn, tomatoes, etc. I have lots of food in July and thru september. I've READ one can keep root crops, cabbage, apples in a root cellar all winter...I can't keep potatoes 6 weeks let alone 6 months. I've mulched carrots and it works till late feb..then they begin to rot

What did people eat in mar/april/may 150, 200 years ago before canning and refridgeration?
Affluence provides options parents and grandparents never had... at least in my family... no doubt turning up a thermostat is far easier than gathering wood and tending a fire... similar in that my grandparents never owned a vehicle... just one tractor that was bought long before I came along... nothing wrong with tech and what it brings... my only point is my grandparents never wanted for anything and lived simply in the home they built, ate food they raised, furniture they made and there was little technology could do for them
 
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And you don't need a robot or self driving car...or do you? Your kids will have them i'm sure.

We lose skills too - riding a horse, or driving a team was probably pretty common 200 years ago..today? Hells no.

If your grand parents lived without a car why do you have one? If they existed happily without it...so can you! LOL

I cna't imagine the effort needed to build a log cabin on raw ground..and grow your own food, tote your water, etc.

****, things that baffle me - food preservation. OK, I can grow corn, tomatoes, etc. I have lots of food in July and thru september. I've READ one can keep root crops, cabbage, apples in a root cellar all winter...I can't keep potatoes 6 weeks let alone 6 months. I've mulched carrots and it works till late feb..then they begin to rot

What did people eat in mar/april/may 150, 200 years ago before canning and refridgeration?

It is a way of life that has a following today... my cousin inherited the farm otherwise it very well could have been me...

The home was not a log cabin but a 3 story Cinder block with Whitewash Stucco including cellar plus full height attic...

No toting water as the natural spring about 250 higher in elevation ran artesian and water free flows... so no pump needed either.

No refrigeration either... the cellar part into the land maintained year round 49 degrees... meat is heavily smoked and hung and I have to say the best I have ever had...

You are 100% right in that what person could live without garbage service today???

When you don't buy the plastic package stuff and your food is not packaged just about all of what you have is recyclable or can be re-purposed...

Staples in sacks... luxury like coffee imported... other items bartered.

Grandparents lived into their 90's and sharp as could be... Grandfather had never went to a doctor in his life... had a dizzy spell in his 90's and the kids had him checked out... Doc said he was in amazing health but needed a pace maker... Grandfather refused saying when it is your time it is your time... another 5 years and passed away in his sleep...

Heavy diet in Dairy... nothing pasteurized... all raw... fresh from the cow...

Before electrification they had a small water wheel that produced DC to for the radio and a few lights...

They were not Amish but could have been... but they did have a tractor that was used 50+ years...
 

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   / Prices seem up for both new and used... #76  
I see you live in Maine. Try moving someplace populated LOL

My Landline was $75 a month when I gave it up...gave it up and had to get the youngest child a cell phone so if she was home alone and had an emergency she has a way to contact help. Phones keep getting cheaper and cheaper - I can get unlimited everything for $40/month...might not even need home internet if I went that route, but I use it for netflix, roku, hulu and work.

From talking to my clients over half of folks have only their phone for internet access - it's all my girlfriend and kids use. Maybe an ipad now and then.

When I gave up my landline in lieu of a cell phone the provider gave me a hard time, saying that they couldn't allow me a contract without a landline. So I gave them my company cell #. As cell phones have proliferated and "improved" the signal and service has gotten shabbier and shabbier and my employer now allows me to use their cell for personal use. I have gone back to a phone on the wall, often planning my days around being home to make phone calls... just as I did 30 years ago.
No, it is not any cheaper; phone and internet is just a little less than 100$/month. But I have a phone that I can actually use when I want to call somebody, instead of driving around for an hour trying to find a signal; which seems to vary from day to day.
 
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^^^^^

As I said I tried that route before it was popular. I got my first cell phone in 1995 and unplugged in 2005; the cell company really gave me a hard time about not having a landline. As cells got more popular the service got worse; I could sit at my desk looking at the cell tower yet my first digital phone couldn't hit it. Places where I routinely made calls 20 years ago have no service now.

My brother lives in Glendale AZ; hardly a rural area yet talking to him is rather annoying as I can only catch about every third word. I have a "smart phone" through my employer yet about the only thing I use it for online is to dial up a song on youtube for the ride home.

Storing food stock; your standards are a little bit different than a farmer 100 years ago. I.E. if you are hungry enough you don't care how shriveled that potato is. The varieties also may have been different, grown for utility not designer appeal. Corn was dried and ground for meal, or put into bins for the cows. A lot of the ornamentals we see around old homesteads were for food, not appeal; day lilies and burdocks come to mind. In dire circumstances they died, especially the children. Have you ever visited an old graveyard and read the headstones?

I keep potatoes and apples through the winter, and try to have just enough left of the former to plant a row in the spring. I choose varieties which store well; Katahdin and Red Norland are my favorites. I buy a bushel of apples to store every fall; half each of Northern Spy and Winesap. By April they don't look fresh picked, but still maintain their flavor. I usually have a few left over to feed to my piglets when I pick them up in May.
 
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Doesn't matter how old-fashioned you live or how modern you live there is one thing we all can agree on - everyone on this board is using internet and a computer or internet capable device so none of us are truly living like our ancestors did. And we are all addicted to a little tractor ****. :laughing:
 
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That is for sure... my DSL and Windows 98 keeps chugging along... still have my Apple//e too... cost me several months pay at the time with the Letter Quality Daisy 40 cps Daisy Wheel Printer...

The 10 year old cousins all Snap Chat and Instagram around the world... amazing how that works... still remember when it would take a month to get an answer sent by airmail to remote locations... nearly 2 weeks there and two weeks back and the letter was like tissue paper!
 
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Kubota Quote received and I don't see how they sell any tractors.

$39,906 out the door on a used machine from a multi location California Kubota Dealer...

270 hour 2018 L3901 HST with full factory warranty.
LA525 Loader
66" Quick Attach Bucket
BH Hoe with subframe
12 inch bucket

Including $2100 freight and dealer set up plus $250 doc fee and tax....
 

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