Ponytug - Group embarrassment time

/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #1  

woodlandfarms

Super Member
Joined
Jul 31, 2006
Messages
6,155
Location
Los Angeles / SW Washington
Tractor
PowerTrac 1850, Kubota RTV x900
So, I am thinking by now your new shiny tractor has been working all weekend and we have not seen any pictures... Are we not good enough ;-)
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #2  
woodlandfarms said:
So, I am thinking by now your new shiny tractor has been working all weekend and we have not seen any pictures... Are we not good enough ;-)

Aha! A new attachment for your PT. A quick attach plate, with a 1/4-20 thread for a camera mount. Naturally, hydraulic actuation for the shutter release. ;-)

John
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #3  
I was thinking more along the lines of one of those sports helmet-cams mounted on the canopy.......
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #4  
My humble apologies. Carl is right. You deserve some photos.

To put it simply, without the help and advice and assistance of this forum, I wouldn't have bought a PT. So thanks for all of the help so far, and all the help in the future!

The first photo is a hill climb, just as the PT1445 was cresting an 18 degree incline. Traction was an issue in the loose gravel, but with a little speed, no problem. I can forsee a role for chains. I can't convey how useful, and reassuring autobrakes are. My spouse lugged the engine near the top, and depressed the treadle farther, stalling the engine, but the brakes came on and held. She put the parking brake on, restarting the engine, upped the engine speed, and drove off.

A neighbor happened by on Sunday. One of his first comments was "Look, it has reversible wheels!"

Question: what is the name of the fifth hose on the lift arms, just inboard of the left side QA? (i.e. 2 PTO, 2 QA and ?)

woodlandfarms said:
So, I am thinking by now your new shiny tractor has been working all weekend and we have not seen any pictures... Are we not good enough ;-)
 

Attachments

  • PT1445_ hillclimb_with_load.jpg
    PT1445_ hillclimb_with_load.jpg
    451.4 KB · Views: 507
  • Beim_Anfang_der_Arbeit_mit_unserem_neuen_Traktor_PT1445.jpg
    Beim_Anfang_der_Arbeit_mit_unserem_neuen_Traktor_PT1445.jpg
    477.1 KB · Views: 516
Last edited:
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #5  
MossRoad has a pretty slick setup, but it is a little lower down my do list at the moment.

Rip said:
I was thinking more along the lines of one of those sports helmet-cams mounted on the canopy.......
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #6  
OK wizards. Can you explain the logic of these to a neophyte like me?

Starting on the left:
1) The air intake appears to be upside down so the water drain is at the top of the air filter. This is because...?
2) The intake is behind the exhaust, which blows on the tire. Is this to keep the right rear tire warm and clean?
3) Why do the battery cables cross?
4) Where is the ground path from the engine block to the frame?

Both the intake and the exhaust look as if they are 180 degree reversible, which would then enable the air intake drain to be at the low point of the filter.

Perusing the Deutz engine manual, I notice that Deutz supplies an oil cooler cowling that is
a) curved, and
b) directs the air flow across the engine and exhaust.
Does anyone have one?

All the best,

Peter
 

Attachments

  • Air_intake_exhaust_powercable.jpg
    Air_intake_exhaust_powercable.jpg
    268.8 KB · Views: 399
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #7  
Here's the Trip Report.

You know what they say about the best laid plans....

We had a bit of an adventure getting the PT over the last little bit to get it here.

After hearing the freight quote to have the tractor delivered to my place, I opted for having it delivered at a nearby loading dock. Not that anything is all that near to here, but that's another story. It took awhile calling around to find a free loading dock, but I finally found one at our local freight yard. They said that they could take a "dock drop" of the tractor and pallets, no problem. I arranged with Power Trac to ship the tractor (3950lbs) and ~4000lbs over four pallets of equipment. I reserved a trailer that could take a low tractor and a rental truck big enough to take three large pallets.

On Thursday, the tractor left Tazewell, to be delivered the following Thursday. On Monday, I received a call from the manager of the freight yard, asking about "what the heck was this about a tractor coming in". With a feeling of mild panic, I explained, and explained, and I told him that I had double checked with his assistant and that the tractor was enroute at the moment, and I hoped that all we were going to do was drive the tractor off and to the ground. He relented and said he wouldn't leave me high and dry, ("Thank you, thank you!"), but that they don't normally do this. He said that he would arrange for it on Thursday, mid morning, when the action was a bit slow.

Tuesday evening rolls around and the trucker calls me to say that he is early, and wants to drop off the load on Wednesday. ("Yikes!") So, Wednesday morning, I have multiple phone calls to find out if I can change the truck and trailer rental reservations, then calling my buddy up who was to drive the other truck and see if he can take off work on Wednesday, instead of Thursday, double check with the freight yard, call back to change the rental reservations, and complete the loop. Most everything gets arranged, but I don't have a jerry can of diesel for the tractor, which has me hoping that PT will have left enough diesel in it to complete the task.

After running out of the house with all my chains and tiedowns, I drive down to the trailer rental place, where they try to talk me into a flat bed car carrier instead of the tilt up equpment trailer that I had reserved. The sales job is going great, until the assistant says
"Oh, don't turn the wheel of the car when you are on the car carrier ramps- they tend to fall off if you do that." Next...
"We'll take the tilt up, thanks."
After picking up my buddy and the rental truck for the pallets, we drive over to the freight yard, only to discover the magnitude of the diasaster looming over us.

The issue was that the tractor and the four pallets were shipped on a standard 80,000lb flat bed semitrailer. The trailer was 48' long, and the bed was four feet off the ground. It was supposed to have pulled up to a loading dock at the freight yard, where the tractor would have been driven down to ground level via a ramp, and the pallets were be put on our rental truck with a fork lift.

The problems were several; the semi truck was too long to get into the freight yard. That meant that we would have to unload it using a fork lift in a parking lot nearby. That was OK for the four pallets, but that left the tractor. The tractor was parked toward one side of the trailer, but not at the edge for obvious reasons. While we were collectively head scratching on how to get it down to the ground without a loading dock, I wasn't looking forward to trying to parallel park a brand new tractor next to a four foot drop off so that the forklifts would have a better pickup point. After many ideas, it was decided to try to lift it off with a forklift.
"But it'll scratch the paint, buddy."
"It's a tractor! It'll have scratched paint the moment it goes to work. Do what it takes to get it off in one piece."

Then there was the load issue. The forklifts at the freight facility had a 4000lb capacity, and the tractor is supposed to be 3950, which would be OK, but and it is a big but, you have to derate the fork lift capaicity for not lifting close to the fork lift. Lifting weight near the end of the forks is likely to cause the fork lift to tip, and if you have to add tip extensions, it gets worse. And they were going to have to add tip extensions to get far enough under the tractor.

This then raised the issue of where the center of gravity was for the tractor fore/aft. By eyeball, it was close to where the seat is, but that raised center of gravity issues left right, if the fork lift raised it from underneath.

Fortunately, one of the fork lift operators eye balled the location, voiced the opinion that it would work, and tried it. The tractor tipped a little to one side, but only about four inches. The fork lift wobbled a little, but not badly. As he lifted it, he yelled out something, and I was afraid that he wasn't going to make it. What he actually said was "Wow, when they say 4000lbs, they mean it!" (Tractor, plus tip extensions, plus ?) He backed up slowly, and then slowly lowered the tractor to the ground. TaaDaa! No tractor omlet!

With the assistance of the forklift operators, and the trucker, we got everything chained down to their preferences. I took all the advice that I could get. Luckily, I had extra chains.

As it turned out, the pallets were a little larger than Power-Trac had said, so I wasn't able to get all three of them in the rental truck, as I had planned. What to do with the extra pallet? In the end, we just attached pallet with the forks to the tractor and backed the tractor onto the tilt trailer. The 1200lb post driver went into the back of my truck. And yes, Virginia, a 20 year old one ton diesel can haul 1200lbs in the bed, plus 6500lbs in a trailer from a standing start on a 10 degree slope, but only just.

Ultimately, it all worked out, but 10% less capacity on the fork lift would have killed off the project, as would having the tractor another 12" farther toward the center of the semi, or a few more pounds on the tractor. Most of all, the fork lift operators, and their company, could have just said "Nah, not our problem. See ya later." Instead, they really tried to make it work, even though their company didn't end up handling anything officially, and I am sure, isn't going to get paid by the company that hauled the tractor, since I didn't see any paperwork change hands.

So, I feel incredibly lucky to have gotten it accomplished with everyone's help, because I don't know where we would have found a rental fork lift, and an open parking lot at 5:30 at night.

In contrast, unloading it at night at my place went like a charm. For my money, the forks paid for themselves in the ease of unloading and packing of the toys, I mean attachments.

And, yes, I went back as soon as I could and dropped off a few cases of good beer for the guys at the freight yard that made it all possible. They were really great about it when I walked in with the beer- "Wow, the good stuff!" :)

Just goes to show you that not all of your PT adventures happen at home.

Drive safe!

Peter
 
Last edited:
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #8  
That is a fantastic story! I had a similar experience, although MUCH smaller scale with the delivery of my grapple. It was delivered to a local shipping company who was under no obligation to help me load it onto my truck. I brought a couple of friends but was still worried. They happily loaded it with a forklift and amazing precision. The universal currency, a case of Molson, changed hands. Good people.

Glad you got your toys!

-Brian
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #9  
ponytug said:
Question: what is the name of the fifth hose on the lift arms, just inboard of the left side QA? (i.e. 2 PTO, 2 QA and ?)

It's the return line for motors with case drain. My mower has one.
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #10  
ponytug said:
Starting on the left:
1) The air intake appears to be upside down so the water drain is at the top of the air filter. This is because...?
You got it, it's BECAUSE

2) The intake is behind the exhaust, which blows on the tire. Is this to keep the right rear tire warm and clean?
Your tires are too big. I'll swap you a set of turf from the 1845.:D

3) Why do the battery cables cross?
Why not?


4) Where is the ground path from the engine block to the frame?
On my 1845, I had some strange electrical gremlins. I ran #10 wire fron the engine to the frame, then from the rear frame to the front frame. Gremlins went away.

Both the intake and the exhaust look as if they are 180 degree reversible, which would then enable the air intake drain to be at the low point of the filter.
Mine points down, but back in the corner. I've never had water. I suspect there's a reason for the configuration, but I suspect you wont find out much detail from PT. There tremendously helpful with problems, but pretty reticent about engineering. It's a Tazewell thing. :)

Perusing the Deutz engine manual, I notice that Deutz supplies an oil cooler cowling that is
a) curved, and
b) directs the air flow across the engine and exhaust.
Does anyone have one?
Nope. At least I don't. I suspect they reroute it out rather than over the top of the engine to run the hot air away from the hydraulic cooler above the engine.
That is one muscular machine. It makes the 1845 look puny. I'm betting you'll love it.
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time
  • Thread Starter
#11  
That is ONE HUGE tractor. I did not realize it size until you get a human in the pictures.

Glad you posted pictures, but two is not enough. Funny story on the freight issue. Trucking is such a mystery...

Your setup looks like mine in terms of engine and wiring. I am thinking of adding a second exhaust to my tractor to quiet it down.

But, thanks for the pictures. can't wait to see more.

Oh, you may want to do the mod that Alta or I did. Get your air exhaust plate up higher. It really helps.... And maybe make your side door easier to access. Only way to keep these larger engines cooler is constant maintenance of compressed air...

Carl
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #12  
Thats nice with those wheels and tires on it.

Keep an eye on your temp, as you use it.

My 1850 overheats.....a lot. :(

But it still gets the job done.
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #13  
So far, in light work, no problem, but I know that once I get out on the hillsides mowing, it is likely to be an issue.

Have you plumbed in your remote oil cooler?

Have you added ground straps from the engine cover and frame back to the engine block? It might help your fans run a little better.

All the best,

Peter


AltavistaLawn said:
Thats nice with those wheels and tires on it.

Keep an eye on your temp, as you use it.

My 1850 overheats.....a lot. :(

But it still gets the job done.
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #14  
Just to be fair, she's well under 6', but if you think that the tractor looks huge, you should see the brush cutter. It looks ready to mow the state of Rhode Island.

My first add on purchase was an air compressor, the second was another couple of grease guns.

If I fool around with the exhaust, I think I'll try to route it out the back, and move the air filter up front. I am not sure if the 1845/50 have enough room, but on mine, it looks like it could be done. This would route noise out the back, and get the air intake closer to right side up.

Carl, you and Altavista may want to go to the Deutz air shroud, which routes the post oil cooler air over the air intake and muffler, and continue it on over the engine to help blow exhaust heat out. That would give you a 'cool' engine side to help with the hydraulic cooler, especially if you had a secondary fan push cool air into the engine compartment.

The Deutz shroud is shown in the manual with a slip on weather strip to help seal it. It might be a good start to help with the air leakage around the hinge. I guess it has to be a reasonably heat resistant rubber.

I'll try to get more photos in a day or two.

All the best,

Peter

woodlandfarms said:
That is ONE HUGE tractor. I did not realize it size until you get a human in the pictures.

Glad you posted pictures, but two is not enough. Funny story on the freight issue. Trucking is such a mystery...

Your setup looks like mine in terms of engine and wiring. I am thinking of adding a second exhaust to my tractor to quiet it down.

But, thanks for the pictures. can't wait to see more.

Oh, you may want to do the mod that Alta or I did. Get your air exhaust plate up higher. It really helps.... And maybe make your side door easier to access. Only way to keep these larger engines cooler is constant maintenance of compressed air...

Carl
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #15  
Wow, Peter. That's a MONSTER!! (when someone is used to a little 422 anyway)

I'm guessing most here have delivery stories but your's has to be the most hairraising.

My PT came early too. When I got there, the folks at our ACE hardware had already loaded everything from the semi into the back of their stake truck, deciding to skip the loading dock altogether. Then the foreman insisted on driving it to my house (about 10 miles) where I have a loading dock.... that I built back when I drove cross-country (so I'm glad you didn't bad mouth that trucker). I didn't have beer but gave him a pretty substantial tip.

Not having a dealer network is just one of the more challenging aspects to owning a PT!!

Phil
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #16  
Dear Phils,

I'd never do that. The trucker did a great job! He had pads on the tractor wherever his straps crossed it, lots of edge protectors and was a complete gentleman about letting the freight yard guys work through the issues. He piped up once or twice with bits of advice from PT on how to drive it/ move it. When the time came to strap down the PT on my trailer, he and one of the forklift operators talked me through the optimal way to chain it down and then tightened the chains until they were happy with them, probably saving me a CHP citation.

That's way beyond the call of duty.

Of course, I did get his load off about 18 hours early, giving him an easier pick up in Reno the next day, but still.

I'm only sorry I didn't have a case of beer to give him!

All the best,

Peter
P.S. By the way the paint is Sherwin Williams Flat black, F77B2 5301-01773, and for the red folks, the red is Red LF Machine Red F77414 5010-D4634.
Phils said:
Wow, Peter. That's a MONSTER!! (when someone is used to a little 422 anyway)

I'm guessing most here have delivery stories but your's has to be the most hairraising.

My PT came early too. When I got there, the folks at our ACE hardware had already loaded everything from the semi into the back of their stake truck, deciding to skip the loading dock altogether. Then the foreman insisted on driving it to my house (about 10 miles) where I have a loading dock.... that I built back when I drove cross-country (so I'm glad you didn't bad mouth that trucker). I didn't have beer but gave him a pretty substantial tip.

Not having a dealer network is just one of the more challenging aspects to owning a PT!!

Phil
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #17  
With the laws concerning transportation of alcohol across state lines, and the fact that he had a p/u in Reno already scheduled, you might have done him a favor by not giving him the beer. Since most states don't allow driving until the alcohol has been out of your system for 24 hours with CDL(not since you drank it), he would have been late or running a chance of getting in serious trouble. I am sure just allowing him to get it off early beat having to sit around and wait another day.
I was an commercial truck driver until the May, and after 27 years I had my first preventable accident. It not only cost me my job, but may have cost me my career in the trucking business. Jury is still out on that one.
David from jax
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #18  
Good idea on the ground strap. Mine will be getting that next.
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #19  
At work, I once spent the better part of a year chasing a gremlin that ended up being related to poor EMF shielding and a bad ground design. Once, I figured out it was grounding, the solution was a snap.

It's really cheap insurance against electrical gremlins. Make sure you put one from the battery grounding point on the engine to the back frame, and another from the battery grounding point to the front frame. You want to have one point where all of the grounds come back together.

It is a little off topic, but I added a couple of ground straps to my old pickup and my battery charging problems went away, as did dim lights on the dashboard. A set of relays for the headlights, and presto! Headlights that actually lit up the road.

All the best,

Peter

AltavistaLawn said:
Good idea on the ground strap. Mine will be getting that next.
 
/ Ponytug - Group embarrassment time #20  
ponytug said:
It is a little off topic, but I added a couple of ground straps to my old pickup and my battery charging problems went away, as did dim lights on the dashboard. A set of relays for the headlights, and presto! Headlights that actually lit up the road.
Peter

I ran ground wires around the 1845 at least in part because of experience with Corvairs. The symptom: breaking clutch cables. The cause: bad ground strap, so the clutch cable was the negative wire to the starter -- got hot.
That was reinforced by experience with trailers. Those I've wired now have negative wires to every light, and my truck has a #10 from the negative battery pole to the trailer plug (which is also grounded to truck frame.) And that is because of the trailer I rewired when it didn't need it because of bad grounds on three tow vehicles.
If you have a strange electrical problem, I'll always bet a six pack it's a bad ground. :cool:
 
 
Top